Excellent post.

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I don't like the idea of banning media organisations but it has to be said Burnsy's crusade against FC is pathetic and when you think he has also alienated himself from other clubs like Grimsby and Hull City then maybe Hull have done the right thing. The bloke is a complete and utter clown and I don't know how he keeps his job.

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This is going to stop him talking crap about Hull FC though. Given his professionalism, it's probably made it worse

The Times wrote:

"A diet of "acceptable" stories squeezed through the Hull PR sausage-making machine is no way to communicate with fans, let alone the wider public, who seem to have been overlooked in this indulgent spat.
It's also a self-serving policy by a club seemingly happy to inhabit its little bubble. Too many clubs have taken the anodyne route of public relations spin and communiques that often smack more of paranoia than any genuine insight. This isn't communication, it is stifling debate and free speech"

and I couldn't agree more, petty and childish are words that spring to mind.

that is an excellent phrase

Novel name for our chief exec

I listened to the burns rant and I agree that he overstepped the mark in some of his statements. I do think the irony of the fans being up in arms is that he was basically agreeing with what 99% of what the FC fans were saying, both on here, on phone ins and all the ones I generally know.

The 2 main gripes Hull have had with RH is the Cooke story and the Reardon story, both of which although not in Hulls favour (and in fairness reported a bit too vehemently) have been true and reortable. In fact I'd go as far as to say the station would be doing a disservice to the public if they hadn't reported the incidents.

Banning the station will serve no real benefit in fact it will be more detrimental to the club in the long run, love it or hate it RH is the local radio station with the widest listener base. The club should have risen above this, released a statement of displeasure and even complained to the BBC director general and the indepent complaints board but taken the moral high ground and carried on in dialogue.

The easiest way for your club to halt this type of incident is really to firstly aim away from its own feet with the shot gun if that proves difficult then at least refrain from pulling the trigger and emptying both barrells into their feet.
If the club (and Hull City) were performing well then I feel this type of PR disaster would not be occuring or if it did it would be last weeks news, but as the club is percieved by its fan base to be struggling then its blown out of proportion and I believe an element of diversionary tactics is employed to 'get the fans off the clubs back'

I know I am probably biaised so although I feel I am being fair it may have a red view on it. But lets face it this kind of action does nothing for the club, the city or the sport.

Thing is, the hierarchy at Hull don't like the sports team at RH due to the cooke scenario. That will never change until teh personnel do.

whats the odds on Burnsie quoting it tonight and calling Rule the sausage jockey of the FC PR sausage making machine

I still fail to see the reasoning behind this. Humberside were correct on the Cooke story and in fact got a scoop, surely there bosses would have been pleased they broke this story. I can understand hull not liking the story but it was in all essence true. What should humberside have done, ignore the lead.

Dont think it was necessarily the story, just the way it was reported, almost as if they were Rovers orientated as opposed to supposedly being impartial.

They were practically laughing at Hull fans and robbing our noses in it.

Personally I'm pleased the club have banned them, not too bothered about the Reardon stuff more bothered about them questioning Dick Tingle's integrity.

Dick Tingle has got more integrity then the lot of them put together..

Were they, or was it more a fact that initially the story sounded completely implausible, then when proved wrong the station seemed a bit smug, but as the story was bad news for Hull it could only ever sound rovers biased.

In a way it was no different to how the HDM have reported the cokayne story, now I know a lot of our fans think we should ban the HDM but for that would be a PR disaster.

Personally I think if Hull win 2 of the next 3 difficult matches the whole thing will blow over as the feel around the club will be better.

Can take his snide comments if he really knew what he was talking about.He is first and foremost a football reporter who wants to be controversial.He has the fawning Gwilym as his sidekick and rants on to anybody who will listen.Banning these people is nothing new,the dobbins have done it in the past and would do it again if it suited just like us.I never listen to him if i can help it,not really because of this, but for the fact that i don't think he is knowledgable enough about our game, and so makes crass comments to cover it up.

Yours or Humbersides

We can but hope

A journalist backing another journalist. Shock horror.

A good post, but what about their treatment of the other Cooke story last year? Rumours were running riot across the city for days before Cooke's no-show at the derby, yet Humberside chose not to mention these rumours. Strange how they had such excellent sources and could break the story about Cooke going to Rovers just before an important FC match, yet either these same sources had evaporated (unlikely given the story was all over every messageboard and forum) or Humberside chose not to say anything that might be detrimental to Rovers just before a derby. Double standards.

They got a reward for Cooke story and took all the glory But They didnt rant about P Cooke who at the time was up to his neck in trouble ..Radio Humberside didnt rant about HKR signing a Woman beater or a drink driver "warts an all".. Yes they have a right to report on stories but they have to be unbiased .. Why did one report state" I should fad you out " reason Burns was wrong and he over step the mark ..to him its a big joke ..But we the fans who pay his wages by buying a Licence are the ones who are missing out on reports from our club

In all fairness to HKR and PC he has never been proescuted for being a woman beater and at the time of signing had not had a conviction for drink driving, therfore RH could not report it. The Reardon thing was never soley about his pending sentencing, but to do with the timing and the percieved link with the clubs launch of its initiative on domestic abuse. I wont go into the actual content as I don't know enough about the initiative to say whether trying to sign reardon was a faux pas, but it did allow the brick throwers an opportunity to fill there boots.

My main point was that if the perception of FC fans was that your doing well this year then I don;t believe RH would be banned. As it is the general perception is that your struggling and as such the PR machine has set itself in motion to divert some attention from the heirarchy of FC and channel the anger towards the bbc.

Personally I think your season although not sparkling is going pretty well considering. As most of your fans would admit you haven't been in anything like top gear this year and the play has been hit and miss, yet you still find yourselves in a position that sees you having more wins than losses, in the play off slots and only 3 points off 2nd place. Granted the next 3 matches are v.tough and 1 win from them would be a reasonable result, but I feel FC will hit form at some point this year and that could be good enough to get you a top 4 finish (no one else is setting the world alight, well except us..

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In summary the RH phone in is never a place for getting actual facts, more a place to mock the afflicted of both sides who 'never went to the game but the ref was crap' who phone in and embarrass our game. If I were the club I'd rise above it, let RH, KCFM etc get on with producing semi laughable programs and turn the negative into a positve and understand its better to be talked about then ignored.

I'm not so sure about that TBH. While there may very well be an element of deflection involved, I think the root cause is the extremely poor relationship between the club and RH plus a concern that the articles being run might have a detrimental effect on commercial operations such as sponsorship and advertising.


That would be my preferred option also.

I think the disgraceful comment about Dick Tingle by Burns was the straw that broke the camel's back. It even embarrassed Lloyd. There comes a point when you have to defend your staff and make a stand and that was it, and quite rightly so.