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Quote: Chris71 "Its not the ill discipline of Connor or Reynolds though but the ill discipline in the ruck partcularly and dumb stuff we are making a habit of which undermines a lot of the hard work they'd done.

Classic example of this was when we'd been coughing up the ball, continually giving set restarts within our 40 and 20 then when we get the ball back we make a good solid effort with a good kick from Sneyd to pin them back in their own 20 only to give a stupid penalty away and invite them back in to our 40 again.

It wasn't about Leeds having any ability to pin us in our own half as we are doing a better job of that than any of their forwards, had Leeds been a better side then we would have paid for the amount of ball and territory we gave them.

There is no doubt that missing Taylor and Bowden we lack real go forward when Satae and Sao go off which is why the non use of Brown is being questioned as he is a bright talent and has played well when given the opportunity.'"


Chris you know around the ruck, it’s a lottery who gets pinged, you’ve said yourself, head scratching to see what we do any differently to other teams. There’s no arguments from me regarding us being as squeaky clean as we can possibly be.

But in the rain and the wind, against a full strength Leeds, we did them, lacking Brown, Taylor, and Bowden. Result icon_biggrin.gif

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But regarding Jack Brown, there must be something that’s causing his omission from the side. It’s funny since his agent was publicly saying how good he was, he’s not been seen. Well actually he was warming up with the players against the Cats

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Quote: Riderofthepalehorse "Chris you know around the ruck, it’s a lottery who gets pinged, you’ve said yourself, head scratching to see what we do any differently to other teams. There’s no arguments from me regarding us being as squeaky clean as we can possibly be.

But in the rain and the wind, against a full strength Leeds, we did them, lacking Brown, Taylor, and Bowden. Result
Indeed I have and it is a lottery but we were certainly pushing things and never heeded that we were getting stung by it, some of the errors even allowing for the the weather were just daft ones and giving unnecessary penalties away.

Don't get me wrong I am very pleased with the win and that even playing as poorly as we did overall we still dug in and ground out the win.

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Quote: Riderofthepalehorse "But regarding Jack Brown, there must be something that’s causing his omission from the side. It’s funny since his agent was publicly saying how good he was, he’s not been seen. Well actually he was warming up with the players against the Cats'"


I thought he may possibly not be quite fit but them seeing him as you say in the pre game warm up kind of answered that. Maybe his attitude has been a little off since his agent talking in the press or maybe that his agent has offered him round has annoyed the club who knows but its strange.

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Quote: Chris71 "Indeed I have and it is a lottery but we were certainly pushing things and never heeded that we were getting stung by it, some of the errors even allowing for the the weather were just daft ones and giving unnecessary penalties away.

Don't get me wrong I am very pleased with the win and that even playing as poorly as we did overall we still dug in and ground out the win.'"


We will play better and lose, I’m just glad the teams first footing is togetherness, it’s a transformation, and hopefully we will improve as the season progresses.

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No idea how many 6 agains we've conceded but Phil Clarke did say last night that we've been awarded the fewest in the league. What are we doing different to the other teams? Certainly seems a lottery & a bit of a cop out for referees.

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Quote: Riderofthepalehorse "But regarding Jack Brown, there must be something that’s causing his omission from the side. It’s funny since his agent was publicly saying how good he was, he’s not been seen. Well actually he was warming up with the players against the Cats'"
I like Brown but he seems to be prone to the odd brain explosion which I think is maybe coming from him trying so hard to make a impact.

If he isn't going to be playing he should be out on loan with a call-back clause because he needs to be playing against men as his development is really running the risk of stagnating.

How people would have him above Fash in the pecking order I have no idea though.

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resting players is not really an option and i dont think its Hodgsons way either
Josh Bowden should be back which will help and get rid of this centre/wing occupying a bench position

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Quote: Chris71 "At least the team have managed to escape the clutches of the disciplinary panel this week
How on earth does the above suggest that? d040.gif

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Quote: The Hollywood Frasier "I like Brown but he seems to be prone to the odd brain explosion which I think is maybe coming from him trying so hard to make a impact.

If he isn't going to be playing he should be out on loan with a call-back clause because he needs to be playing against men as his development is really running the risk of stagnating.

How people would have him above Fash in the pecking order I have no idea though.'"


Fash has come on leaps and bounds this year. I do think Brown has a higher ceiling than Fash, but as they both are now Fash fully deserves his place. Like you say, the next time Brown gets a chance I think he just needs to calm down a bit. He is a handful and has done good things, but he just needs to concentrate on running hard, doing the basic things right, and getting through plenty of work. He is prone to a daft offload or rushing the play the ball and knocking it on.

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has anyone our stats from the second half last night?
completion rate has to be less than 30%
ccs around he normally helps out here?

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Quote: bonaire "has anyone our stats from the second half last night?
completion rate has to be less than 30%
ccs around he normally helps out here?'"
Still haven't recovered from your match commentary last night.

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Quote: Mr. Zucchini Head "I think Chris71 has pretty much summed up my thoughts. I thought that on the whole it was really quite a poor performance in a lot of ways. Yes the weather was terrible and you do expect some mistakes when it's like that. But we did alot of dumb things too. I'm not singling out Manu Ma'u, but the first thing that comes to mind was his pass straight to Hurrell which came at a time when we had already soaked up a lot of pressure and finally looked like getting out of our half only to invite them right back in again. There were plenty of other examples of sloppy play the balls, loose carries, needless hands in at the ruck etc. You can only blame the weather so much. These are basic things that professional players shouldn't be doing regardless of the conditions.

All that said, we again showed that our attitude and togetherness and will to win is ten times what it has been in recent years. Despite everything I never thought we would lose that game last night. Our defence was organised and busy and aggressive and everyone has switched on. So long as we can do that we will always be in games. But there is a lot of work to do when we have the ball. One moment of Connor brilliance last night and two moments of Hurrell comedy. Aside from that we created nothing. We need big improvements. Although just completing some sets would be a start after last night.

Finally I don't understand the sly digs and bickering amongst supporters. We are here to discuss the game. When we win it doesn't mean everything was perfect just as when we lose it doesn't mean it's a disaster. Everyone sees things a different way. Bonaire might be one of the more negative voices on here but he does give credit where its due and I can tell that he cares deeply about the club (I'm assuming you're a guy Bonaire, apologies if I've got that wrong). Being positive about everything all the time doesn't make you a better supporter than someone who points out the negatives when they see them.'"


Definitely a guy Zucchini and thanks for the supportive comment comment

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Quote: ccs "Still haven't recovered from your match commentary last night.'"


well hurry up then im interested in the stats and thats your field

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Quote: bonaire "Definitely a guy Zucchini and thanks for the supportive comment comment'"


Don’t let it go to your head, your still a miserable git icon_biggrin.gif

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