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| Quote ="Sheldon"Tbf all swain had to do was get good early ball to Cooke, I admit he did alot more than that.
In some games berrigan seemed to be trying to get good early ball to himself!'"
That's a lot to do with it. Swain was in a side with multiple creative players sharing the attacking burden. Far more was expected of Berrigan with much less to work with.
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| Quote ="carl_spackler"No, but we're now a hooker down as well as having no adequate half back cover. We've lost one of our most talented players and are now thin in 2 key areas of the team. I'm not seeing how that's a masterstroke.
Not really the club's fault, but still very risky to let him go when we might not be able to get a replacement in.'"
I did say COULD be a masterstroke on the basis that quality players become available once the season starts!
If we start the season and lose both half backs and Washy is gash at hooker then fair do's but we are still in a position to significantly stengthen where necessary on the back of Berro leaving.
I think we badly need another half back and if Berro had stayed then we could not have paid decent cash for one. As things stand we can probably bring in a decent 6 or 7 with his cash which I beleive is what Hull need as a priority.
If we signed for example Sammut or Chase who can play 1,6,7 or 9 do you agree it would be a good move?
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| Quote ="Sheldon"Tbf all swain had to do was get good early ball to Cooke, I admit he did alot more than that.
In some games berrigan seemed to be trying to get good early ball to himself!'"
I have an intense dislike for the way Swain treated Billy but the fact remains the man knew how to run a front row. During 2005/06 there was a decent argument for King, Carvell, Dowes and Thackery all playing for Great Britain. Given the way they have all drifted out of contention (perhaps Carvell excluded) since Swain fell out with the club after the pre-season camp in 2007 i would say he had a massive influence on them. Berrigan has never seemed to have that influence.
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| What nobodys remembering is there's a few nrl clubs with room on their cap should anyone become avaiable.
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| Quote ="Sheldon"What nobodys remembering is there's a few nrl clubs with room on their cap should anyone become avaiable.'"
Not sure on your point there Sheldon?
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| Mallinson? Didn't know they fell out tbh.
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| Quote ="knocker norton"Not sure on your point there Sheldon?'"
Some are saying to wait till a top player becomes avaiable, but alot of nrl clubs will be doing the same, most notably eels.
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| Quote ="Sheldon"Mallinson? Didn't know they fell out tbh.'"
Big style.
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| Quote ="R.B.A"Big style.'"
I've only heard he fell out with Kath, was this to do with Swain?
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| Quote ="Sheldon"Some are saying to wait till a top player becomes avaiable, but alot of nrl clubs will be doing the same, most notably eels.'"
See what you mean and I hope the Eels get a top player!
From Hulls perspective I was thinking more a young half who has missed the first grade spot and has a point to prove.
Back in 2007 Peter Sharp was interested in Jamie Soward at the time a fringe player - what a signing he would have been!
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| Quote ="carl_spackler"No, but we're now a hooker down as well as having no adequate half back cover. We've lost one of our most talented players and are now thin in 2 key areas of the team. I'm not seeing how that's a masterstroke.
Not really the club's fault,.'"
Course it is Berro had a contract for 2011 the club could easily have said no we are not releasing you.
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| Quote ="R.B.A"Big style.'"
And Swain was 100% right in what he said/observed.
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| Quote ="Standee"And Swain was 100% right in what he said/observed.'"
You could argue though that the team the team was in a better position with the unprofessional attitude at the club
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| Quote ="jordanp"You could argue though that the team the team was in a better position with the unprofessional attitude at the club'"
you could, but if we'd listened to Swain and done what he was suggesting we'd be head and shoulders above where we are at the moment.
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| seems we can cross Sammut off the list no chance of him being sold
Quote Findlay also re-iterated the club’s determination to hang onto exciting Australian half-back Jarrod Sammut, who is thought to be wanted by Hull as a replacement for the departed Shaun Berrigan.
“Sammut is not for sale,” said Findlay. “He has two years to run on his contract and he is very much part of our plans. He is a fans’ favourite
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[urlhttp://www.dailypost.co.uk/sport-news/2011/01/22/crusaders-hope-to-boost-squad-55578-28033968/[/url
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| Quote ="rowdellhead"seems we can cross Sammut off the list no chance of him being sold
[urlhttp://www.dailypost.co.uk/sport-news/2011/01/22/crusaders-hope-to-boost-squad-55578-28033968/[/url'"
sammut and chase are just a smokescreen. I think we all know the club well enough to now they wouldn't have let a former multiple Oz/SOO player and clive churchill medal winner go without having a top class replacement lined up. I fully expect him to be revealed at the forum on Wednesday and be with the squad at cardiff
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| Quote ="knocker norton"I did say COULD be a masterstroke on the basis that quality players become available once the season starts!
If we start the season and lose both half backs and Washy is gash at hooker then fair do's but we are still in a position to significantly stengthen where necessary on the back of Berro leaving.
I think we badly need another half back and if Berro had stayed then we could not have paid decent cash for one. As things stand we can probably bring in a decent 6 or 7 with his cash which I beleive is what Hull need as a priority.
If we signed for example Sammut or Chase who can play 1,6,7 or 9 do you agree it would be a good move?'"
Masterstroke makes it sound like an intentional strategy, if we get someone in we'll simply have made the best of a bad situation IMO. We do desperately need a halfback, it's obvious to anyone with a passing interest in RL. I don't think losing Berrigan to get one would ever be a good move in my eyes, but it is one of the few options we seem to have, I admit that. It's more salvaging something from the situation than a positive forward move.
If we paid the kind of money Berrigan was likely on for Sammut or Chase then IMO we'd be overpaying.
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| Quote ="Wellsy13"Obst as a back up is better than any option we have at the moment. He won't take up a non-fed place, so I don't see the harm in bringing him in if he's available.'"
Argh!!!!!!
why do people settle for 3rd or even 4th rate, for gods sake!!!!!!
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| Quote ="Jake the Peg":3moo3kpusammut and chase are just a smokescreen. I think we all know the club well enough to now they wouldn't have let a former multiple Oz/SOO player and clive churchill medal winner go without having a top class replacement lined up. I fully expect him to be revealed at the forum on Wednesday and be with the squad at cardiff'" tags Jake 
I am beginning to feel what we currently have is all we are getting and the club are recouping the majority of the Westerman fee by saving on Berro's wages.
Hopefully I am wrong and we bring in a couple more players.
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| Quote ="kingston droolers"Argh!!!!!!
why do people settle for 3rd or even 4th rate, for gods sake!!!!!!'"
Care to tell us what other half backs we have in reserve at the club that are better? Or any other half backs that are available (potentially) that aren't non-fed?
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| Quote ="hullbg"You forgot [sarcasmmode and [/sarcasmmode tags Jake

=#0000FFI am beginning to feel what we currently have is all we are getting and the club are recouping the majority of the Westerman fee by saving on Berro's wages.Hopefully I am wrong and we bring in a couple more players.'" Balls, the club have obviously tried signing a couple of people. Just because it hasn't materialised doesn't mean to say we're recouping anything.
If the club can't get the players it wants then it makes sense to keep the money to one side. Or do you want us to panic buy for the sake of it?
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| Quote ="east hull FC fan"Balls, the club have obviously tried signing a couple of people. Just because it hasn't materialised doesn't mean to say we're recouping anything.
If the club can't get the players it wants then it makes sense to keep the money to one side. Or do you want us to panic buy for the sake of it?'"
They have gone for players they are not too likely to get, Myler was never going to leave Wire. Chase has not even been approached by all accounts and no offers made. Sammut we may have had a chance with, but the player has 2 years of a contract still to run which would mean the likelihood of us signing him were slim.
We have no idea if the offers for players were even remotely realistic, but the fact offers were made sends out the right noises to fans. I am not saying this is what happened but it is definitely a possibility.
Do i want us to panic buy? No of course not, but it was apparent pretty early on last season that we needed decent halfback cover which is ample time to bring somebody in.
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| Quote ="Wellsy13"Care to tell us what other half backs we have in reserve at the club that are better? Or any other half backs that are available (potentially) that aren't non-fed?'"
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| Every cloud has a silver lining and all that and you never know, Agars inability to bring in half back cover could be his downfall this season. Fingers crossed! 
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| Quote ="Funk-Doc"James Webster????
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For the salary we'd have to declare for him (due to him being a coach at the club), it wouldn't be a "cheap" option in regards to the salary cap. Plus he's not played for a few years.
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