For me, that was a great win. Winning like that, despite playing really poorly, with low completion rate, high penalty count, in the past would have seen us with a mauling. As Uppo says, the defence was the important thing we had to change, the soft underbelly that sees us concede a try, and then 2 or 3 in quick succession. That appears to have been resolved. The attack will come. Is that the first game in 4, that we have not had someone sin-binned? As the weather gets better, we will get confident that our defence is strong enough to hold teams out, so can play a bit more expansively

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I think Chris71 has pretty much summed up my thoughts. I thought that on the whole it was really quite a poor performance in a lot of ways. Yes the weather was terrible and you do expect some mistakes when it's like that. But we did alot of dumb things too. I'm not singling out Manu Ma'u, but the first thing that comes to mind was his pass straight to Hurrell which came at a time when we had already soaked up a lot of pressure and finally looked like getting out of our half only to invite them right back in again. There were plenty of other examples of sloppy play the balls, loose carries, needless hands in at the ruck etc. You can only blame the weather so much. These are basic things that professional players shouldn't be doing regardless of the conditions.

All that said, we again showed that our attitude and togetherness and will to win is ten times what it has been in recent years. Despite everything I never thought we would lose that game last night. Our defence was organised and busy and aggressive and everyone has switched on. So long as we can do that we will always be in games. But there is a lot of work to do when we have the ball. One moment of Connor brilliance last night and two moments of Hurrell comedy. Aside from that we created nothing. We need big improvements. Although just completing some sets would be a start after last night.

Finally I don't understand the sly digs and bickering amongst supporters. We are here to discuss the game. When we win it doesn't mean everything was perfect just as when we lose it doesn't mean it's a disaster. Everyone sees things a different way. Bonaire might be one of the more negative voices on here but he does give credit where its due and I can tell that he cares deeply about the club (I'm assuming you're a guy Bonaire, apologies if I've got that wrong). Being positive about everything all the time doesn't make you a better supporter than someone who points out the negatives when they see them.

The errors and lack of flowing attack yesterday can in part be attributed to the weather, but more worrying to me is the extent of penalties and set restarts we are regularly conceding.

On the plus side we didn't have anyone sin binned this week!

To me it’s pretty simple, our defence has been laughable, we were a team disjointed, unhappy and it showed in abject performances, resulting in alarming score-lines.

Our coaches have done a fantastic job in resolving this issue, we are far from the finished article, we all know we need to play more attacking footy, but come on, a poor performance, we hardly had the ball, three tries to two, and we beat one of our most difficult opponents on their own ground. Without half of the front row.

Enjoy the ugly victory, we are a developing team, and I’m sure as Hodgson further implements his own recruiting, we will start expanding our attack.

And none of us got wet stood on a western terrace either

The bit in bold is why people are asking questions as that is what is concerning that the reason we didn't have much ball particularly in the 2nd half was our own doing from poor discipline, giving set restarts regularly and not being able to complete a set. This is ok if its a one off but its becoming a bad habit and means we are putting more pressure and workload on our ourselves by doing an awful lot more defending than we should be.

As I've said I don't think anyone has been scathing or said anything that is over the top, most if not all have said that defensively credit is due but that the giving away of cheap ball will hurt us if that nettle is not grasped, even Griff said as much in his aftermatch interview on SKY.

If we had been a little bit more switched on and less eager to gift Leeds ball and territory in our half then we'd would likely have had a much more comfortable win.

Discipline is going to haunt us unfortunately, with Connor and Reynolds we’ve got two of the most annoying players around.

But the line you’ve taken out and highlighted, was not referring to discipline, but probably Leeds ability to pin us back in the pack, due to Taylor and Bowden not being available, leaving us short on go forward all the second half.

Fashy does well when he’s on, but we struggle when Big Chris or Liggy go off. As I said I’ll take this win ugly or not.

I thought the whole arrangement was odd from what I could see on TV. Looked like whole sections of seating empty while people were stood very close in the standing areas. Very haphazard and certainly a lot less strict than what was in place at the KCOM last Monday.

Its not the ill discipline of Connor or Reynolds though but the ill discipline in the ruck partcularly and dumb stuff we are making a habit of which undermines a lot of the hard work they'd done.

Classic example of this was when we'd been coughing up the ball, continually giving set restarts within our 40 and 20 then when we get the ball back we make a good solid effort with a good kick from Sneyd to pin them back in their own 20 only to give a stupid penalty away and invite them back in to our 40 again. Then the more pressure we put on ourselves and the heavier workload to defend just multiplies the errors/penalties we give due to fatigue.
However at least we now have a cohesive team that work for one another where as before it would have resulted in capitulation.

It wasn't about Leeds having any ability to pin us in our own half as we are doing a better job of that than any of their forwards, had Leeds been a better side then we would have paid for the amount of ball and territory we gave them.

There is no doubt that missing Taylor and Bowden we lack real go forward when Satae and Sao go off which is why the non use of Brown is being questioned as he is a bright talent and has played well when given the opportunity.