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| Quote ="Dave K."Hull fans love a good moan, this is 17 pages, while Chris Green's new contract is 2 pages, which is more important for the club?'"
Quote ="Robbo4"The thread is this many pages because it contains debate. If it was 17 pages full of criticism then the point about the number of pages might have been valid. .'"
Quite. Indeed Dave K, you must see the slight irony in your post.
From what I can see that most of this thread doesn't really criticise Yeaman, beyond saying he made a mistake. Which as I've said already, I think he would be the first to admit anyway. Other than that its actually full of people defending him and saying that suggestions of dropping Yeaman are off the mark.
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| Best centre still at our club by a country mile = Yeamo = Fact!
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| Fancy having 17 pages of debate on a forum based on discussion.
I just wanted to add to the posts really
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| Yeamans a defensive centre plain and simple and on this occasion he thought he could score but got it wrong. Doesnt make him a bad player. Anyone saying he should be dropped for Arundel is clearly clueless
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| Quote ="Sebasteeno"Yeamans a defensive centre plain and simple and on this occasion he thought he could score but got it wrong. Doesnt make him a bad player. Anyone saying he should be dropped for Arundel is clearly clueless'"
And while it was a shocker of a pass (and too late), if Pitts had picked it up, or hacked it through and dived on it, we wouldn't have 17/18 pages of discussion about it.
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| Quote ="WIZEB"Best centre still at our club by a country mile = Yeamo = Fact!'"
Crooks is way better at the moment, the evidence is clear to see on the pitch.
The problem some have is emotional attachment to certain players. Yeaman is a decent player, but not the player some would like to make out. You cannot argue with his defensive qualities, but no one is arguing that. The point if the thread is that a player with 12 years experience STILL cannot draw a defender and utilise supporting players.
Arundal had a poor start to his Hull career, but the signs were there to see that he was definitely going in the right direction. His performance at Salford, prior to his injury was very good.
If there is to be genuine competition for places, then errors like Yeamans have to be put under the microscope.
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| Quote ="Mild mannered Janitor"Crooks is way better at the moment, the evidence is clear to see on the pitch.
The problem some have is emotional attachment to certain players. Yeaman is a decent player, but not the player some would like to make out. You cannot argue with his defensive qualities, but no one is arguing that. The point if the thread is that a player with 12 years experience STILL cannot draw a defender and utilise supporting players.
Arundal had a poor start to his Hull career, but the signs were there to see that he was definitely going in the right direction. His performance at Salford, prior to his injury was very good.
If there is to be genuine competition for places, then errors like Yeamans have to be put under the microscope.'"
And Lineham is outplaying Briscoe at present but if you asked the the other 13 SL clubs which one they'd take out of the pair if they had a free choice it would be a unanimous decision imho.
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| Quote ="WIZEB"And Lineham is outplaying Briscoe at present but if you asked the the other 13 SL clubs which one they'd take out of the pair if they had a free choice it would be a unanimous decision imho.'"
Yep, I agree - they'd all take Crooks. ![Wink icon_wink.gif](//www.rlfans.com/images/smilies//icon_wink.gif)
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| Quote ="Mild mannered Janitor"Crooks is way better at the moment, the evidence is clear to see on the pitch.
The problem some have is emotional attachment to certain players. Yeaman is a decent player, but not the player some would like to make out. You cannot argue with his defensive qualities, but no one is arguing that. The point if the thread is that a player with 12 years experience STILL cannot draw a defender and utilise supporting players.
Arundal had a poor start to his Hull career, but the signs were there to see that he was definitely going in the right direction. His performance at Salford, prior to his injury was very good.
If there is to be genuine competition for places, then errors like Yeamans have to be put under the microscope.'"
Spot on.
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| Quote ="Bal"Yep, I agree - they'd all take Crooks.
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I was on about Briscoe or Lineham.
Just thread drifting because this one is going round in circles. ![Very Happy icon_biggrin.gif](//www.rlfans.com/images/smilies//icon_biggrin.gif)
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| Quote ="meatpaste"Standee
See you're 'popular' with your comrades.Maybe you should change your name to Marmite.
I wouldn't mind.'"
Some people like marmite. ![Wink icon_wink.gif](//www.rlfans.com/images/smilies//icon_wink.gif)
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| Quote ="Mild mannered Janitor"Crooks is way better at the moment, the evidence is clear to see on the pitch.
The problem some have is emotional attachment to certain players. Yeaman is a decent player, but not the player some would like to make out. You cannot argue with his defensive qualities, but no one is arguing that. The point if the thread is that a player with 12 years experience STILL cannot draw a defender and utilise supporting players.
Arundal had a poor start to his Hull career, but the signs were there to see that he was definitely going in the right direction. His performance at Salford, prior to his injury was very good.
[u[iIf there is to be genuine competition for places, then errors like Yeamans have to be put under the microscope.[/i[/u'"
Nobody is disputing the fact that there should be competition for places. However, 18 pages of fans opinions is not going to make one jot of difference to PG's thinking, however important posters think their views are.
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| Quote ="east hull FC fan"I've no problem with people criticising Kirk, it's just the aggressive tone some people use. There's a fine line between critiquing, like you are, and just blatantly slagging someone off as others are.
There's a wider issue around some of our fans and an almost pre-meditated opinion on some of our players going both ways. Westerman gets some shocking treatment from some of our fans, at the other end of the scale is Whiting, who can never do wrong.'"
Completely agree.
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| Quote ="GM1"Am I missing something? What is all this talk about Yeaman covering Briscoe's defensive duties all night?'"
Briscoe picked up a couple of knocks and should have been replaced by rights.
But with Green and O'Meley unable to return we didn't have options.
Yeaman was trying to limit Briscoe being exposed and i think this was the reason Leeds made the break between him and Ellis for their try. Yeaman makes a dash to his left but when realising the pass wasn't made he tried to step back to his right and slipped missing the tackle in the process.
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| Quote ="Chris28"And while it was a shocker of a pass (and too late), if Pitts had picked it up, or hacked it through and dived on it, we wouldn't have 17/18 pages of discussion about it.'"
I posted a similar sentiment on page 4, but i suppose if Yeamo had stepped inside and died with the ball then people would be happier ...not me i would rather see an attempt to promote some positive and exciting play.
I've been a critic for years of him not putting his winger away. This time he tried to keep the move going once he knew he was not going to make it on his own, it didn't work, but this is how i want to see us playing, with some flair and confidence.
Do we want 80% performances and leeping it safe, or do we want them team to push themselves, try things and create some memories.
With the first you get the Agar era, with the second you get some errors but you also get some amazing tries
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| Quote ="FrEaK-HullFC"I posted a similar sentiment on page 4, but i suppose if Yeamo had stepped inside and died with the ball then people would be happier ...not me i would rather see an attempt to promote some positive and exciting play.
I've been a critic for years of him not putting his winger away. This time he tried to keep the move going once he knew he was not going to make it on his own, it didn't work, but this is how i want to see us playing, with some flair and confidence.
Do we want 80% performances and leeping it safe, or do we want them team to push themselves, try things and create some memories.
With the first you get the Agar era, with the second you get some errors but you also get some amazing tries'"
He didn't have to try and make it on his own.
He had broke through and the simple thing to do would be to draw the full back and put one of the supporting players on the inside over for a try.
Nothing to do with playing with flair and confidence. That he showed when making the break.
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| Quote ="Standee"=#0000FFAh right, I've never seen the "run away from the support and throw a pass over your head in panic when you realise you're not going to make it" drill.
and I don't think I would if I went to every home game for 100 years.
anyway, Catalans next week, I hope Yeaman proves me to be wrong and has the game of the season.'"
No, but there is a 'catch the ball around your ankles whilst on the move' one.
Not that I'm personally going to criticise Pitts for it, but it was an error, and one that we do have a practice drill for, so it was a valid point.
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| Quote ="Whiting"It's harsh to call him greedy and to state he wanted all the glory for himself, he is not that kind of player. I genuinely believe he isn't skillful enough for when in that position to do the right thing'"
This. It's a been a weakness in his game throughout his career, but I've always thought it's more about the incorrect reading of the situation rather than making the wrong choice (either intentionally or not).
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| Quote ="I, on another thread,"With Yeaman, I think people are going a bit OTT for tonight. Yes, he should have passed, and yes, it was his miss for the try, but people should bear in mind that he was carrying the vast majority of Briscoe's defensive and bringing the ball out work for 60 minutes. People make the case that Briscoe struggles because he doesn't have a good centre, but nobody's made the reverse point for Yeaman tonight. He played that centre/wing practically on his own for an hour and conceded only 6 points, that's some going in my book.
Not having a good season, but has been better since coming back from injury than he was at the start of the season.'"
Think this is more appropriate in here.
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| Quote ="carl_spackler"No, but there is a 'catch the ball around your ankles whilst on the move' one.
Not that I'm personally going to criticise Pitts for it, but it was an error, and one that we do have a practice drill for, so it was a valid point.'"
Does the drill include the ball getting to you on the bounce?
I wouldn't have expected anyone to pick that up TBH. It would have been a miracle take. What I would say is that Pitts would have been better off hacking it forward rather than trying to pick it up.
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| Quote ="Hessle Roader"Nobody is disputing the fact that there should be competition for places. However, 18 pages of fans opinions is not going to make one jot of difference to PG's thinking, however important posters think their views are.'"
![Laughing icon_lol.gif](//www.rlfans.com/images/smilies//icon_lol.gif) ....and there we all were thinking that the coaching staff logged onto here every morning and changed their regime accordingly.
Thanks (!) for clearing that up for us Hessle Roader! I was wondering where my pay cheque was!
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| Quote ="Kosh"Does the drill include the ball getting to you on the bounce?
I wouldn't have expected anyone to pick that up TBH. It would have been a miracle take. What I would say is that Pitts would have been better off hacking it forward rather than trying to pick it up.'"
As you say, it was a pretty much an impossible take from a lob, rather than a pass. Those saying Pitts should have taken it are just been plain daft imo.
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| Quote ="Kosh"Does the drill include the ball getting to you on the bounce?
I wouldn't have expected anyone to pick that up TBH. It would have been a miracle take. What I would say is that Pitts would have been better off hacking it forward rather than trying to pick it up.'"
The ball was just below Pitts' knee, same position as Westerman's and Pitts had far more time to react. I'm disappointed that Pitts didn't still convert the chance, as Pitts is, I'm sure.
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| Quote ="Bal"As you say, it was a pretty much an impossible take from a lob, rather than a pass. Those saying Pitts should have taken it are just been plain daft imo.'"
You really need to look again, a professional player should take that more often than not, as Westy proved.
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| Quote ="Hessle Roader"Nobody is disputing the fact that there should be competition for places. However, 18 pages of fans opinions is not going to make one jot of difference to PG's thinking, however important posters think their views are.'"
Well, you could put that against most threads. And with that attitude / point of view it begs the question of whats the point in a message forum?
If your not disputing the competition for places issue, I cannot understand your opposition to a thread about an experienced player not being able to use the experience. Thankfully it didnt cost us the game. They say players learn by their mistakes. Well, how many chances is one player going to be given?
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