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Quote: Rock God X "I have never seen a player be 'dire' at one club and then 'great' at another. It's true that players will respond differently to different clubs and coaches, but not to the extent that a 'dire' player becomes 'great' or vice versa. It is perfectly possible to form a judgement based on having seen a player play for a club other than your own. '"


I still don't see how it is when none of us know how the coach plans to use him for a start. I have not seen enough of Thompson to say he is a good or bad player and a handful of sky games is not enough for me personally to write somebody off. There is plenty of players who may not have being dire to great but plenty the other way around.

Quote: Rock God X "No. He was better than many thought he would be, but was still only a run of the mill utility player. It says much about our half back predicament over the last few years that he was so well thought of.'"
Whatever your opinion is of him, he played well for us and did better then what everyone thought. Which is what I am saying you don't know how things will work till its put before your eyes.

Quote: Rock God X "It may or it may not, but it won't alter his inherent ability. '"


At 22 I would say he has plenty of time ahead of him to reach his true ability. Not many forwards nor backs are the complete package at 22.

Quote: Rock God X "He's a year older. I reckon Adrian Morley might be a bit less impressive next year, too.'"

You cant say for certain though, by that logic Peacock should be a worse player then he was at 22, yet he is still one of the top front rowers in the comp. You could also argue Ogre had his best term for us this season, despite being a year older. Manu is being less effective as he is under different gameplans IMO.

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Quote: Rock God X "I have it on good authority that Sam Tomkins was just about to sign a 5 year deal with us until someone showed him one of your 'Agar Out' threads. So terrified was he of becoming the subject of a dustbin avatar that he legged it back to Wigan without further consideration.'"

wise man, these threads can turn even the toughest man to jelly

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Quote: Rock God X "I have it on good authority that Sam Tomkins was just about to sign a 5 year deal with us until someone showed him one of your 'Agar Out' threads. So terrified was he of becoming the subject of a dustbin avatar that he legged it back to Wigan without further consideration.'"

Try and smart it all you want, its not really support when we abuse players. There is critism but that has turned to abuse alot these days.

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Quote: pmarrow "Try and smart booty it all you want, its not really support when we abuse players. There is critism but that has turned to abuse alot these days.'"

What abuse? Like it or not, gentle has signed too many average players who wouldn't get a look in at the top clubs. His recruitment makes peter sharp's look good. Fans are entitled to their opinion on players we're signing.

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Quote: pmarrow "I still don't see how it is when none of us know how the coach plans to use him for a start. I have not seen enough of Thompson to say he is a good or bad player and a handful of sky games is not enough for me personally to write somebody off. There is plenty of players who may not have being dire to great but plenty the other way around.'"


That hardly supports your argument. And I'd dispute that plenty go from 'great' to 'dire' just by moving clubs. A player at the end of his career has been known to move for one last pay day and end up being unsuccessful, but that isn't what we're talking about here.

Quote: pmarrow "Whatever your opinion is of him, he played well for us and did better then what everyone thought. Which is what I am saying you don't know how things will work till its put before your eyes.'"


He played quite well for us, but not significantly better than when he played for Cas.

Quote: pmarrow "At 22 I would say he has plenty of time ahead of him to reach his true ability. Not many forwards nor backs are the complete package at 22.'"


Neither Crooks or Lineham are the complete package, but I reckon any and every fan in SL would be overjoyed if their club signed either one of them. And I've already said he has plenty of time to improve.

Quote: pmarrow "You cant say for certain though, by that logic Peacock should be a worse player then he was at 22, yet he is still one of the top front rowers in the comp. '"


You seem to be struggling with the meaning of the word 'logic'.

Quote: pmarrow "You could also argue Ogre had his best term for us this season, despite being a year older. '"


You could argue that. Equally, you could argue that he hasn't, but he's stood out more this season because our props have been so crap.

Quote: pmarrow "Manu is being less effective as he is under different gameplans IMO.'"


Yes, the 'give it to Manu and hope he drags us out of the shlt again' game plan is clearly far superior to anything Saints have to offer.

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Quote: pmarrow "Try and smart booty it all you want, its not really support when we abuse players. There is critism but that has turned to abuse alot these days.'"


I don't think that word you keep using means what you think it means.

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Quote: Jake the Peg "What abuse? Fans are entitled to their opinion on players we're signing.'"


Quite. I said at the top of the thread that I've only seen him play a few games (albeit rather unimpressively), so I'm not really best placed to judge the signing. This ridiculous notion, however, that those who do feel able to make a judgement should refrain from doing so, or that you're not a 'true fan' unless you do a happy little dance with every signing that's announced, is lng risible.

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Quote: ComeOnYouUll "Who would you have signed instead of those players?'"

I'm not gentle or bomber or Pearson. So that is irrelevant. I also don't know the machinations at the time as to whom was available. I tell you this though, I would not have signed Johnson, galea, crookes and probably not arundel. Would have played Kent, Hadley, green Bowden and used shaul on wing instead of letting him twiddle thumbs.

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Quote: Rock God X "Quite. I said at the top of the thread that I've only seen him play a few games (albeit rather unimpressively), so I'm not really best placed to judge the signing. This ridiculous notion, however, that those who do feel able to make a judgement should refrain from doing so, or that you're not a 'true fan' unless you do a happy little dance with every signing that's announced, is lng risible.'"

You and I aren't superfans though

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Quote: Hessle Roader "And do you not think the blind idiots (your words, not mine) turn up week after week and make their own judgements. I never miss a match if I can and resent anyone calling me names because my opinion doesn't agree with theirs.'"

I've not called anyone a blind idiot, just generalised at some people who cannot seem to abide people who may not always want to be 100% positive all the time. You want to label yourself that's your choice

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Quote: Rock God X "I don't think that word you keep using means what you think it means.'"


Inconceivable!

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Quote: hull smallears "I'm not gentle or bomber or Pearson. So that is irrelevant. I also don't know the machinations at the time as to whom was available. I tell you this though, I would not have signed Johnson, galea, crookes and probably not arundel. Would have played Kent, Hadley, green Bowden and used shaul on wing instead of letting him twiddle thumbs.'"

I'd love to know who you would played if/when they got injured?

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Quote: Rock God X "Quite. I said at the top of the thread that I've only seen him play a few games (albeit rather unimpressively), so I'm not really best placed to judge the signing. This ridiculous notion, however, that those who do feel able to make a judgement should refrain from doing so, or that you're not a 'true fan' unless you do a happy little dance with every signing that's announced, is lng risible.'"


I personally think its stupid to knock somebody before they have even trained with a squad, have an opinion on whether you think he will go well or you personally don't rate him is fair enough, but to go to the levels of saying this type of player wont get us top four is not fact its only a guess. Far too many people though are just having a go for the sake of it as every player we sign is not a Darren Lockyer of the world and think because a player played at a club below us he will be rubbish.

I just get fed up of it all TBH, nobody seems patient these days.

If you also don't think fans make a difference on a players signature, you are truly mistaken.

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Quote: Jake the Peg "You and I aren't superfans though'"


Get over yourself, if Jordan Thompson comes here plays bad and looks like he doesn't give a flying hoot then I'd be having a go as much as the next fan.

The reality is though he has only just signed, is 22 and nobody knows how he will fair up for us. You can make a guess on how well he will do but can't speak like its a fact he will fail, as most people on this thread are doing.

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Quote: Rock God X "Yes, the 'give it to Manu and hope he drags us out of the shlt again' game plan is clearly far superior to anything Saints have to offer.'"



Isn't that what being a top player and/or star attraction is all about?? When the chips are down, you expect your top performers to 'get you out of the $h1t' again........

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