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| Quote: Marfa Manu "Some good valid points, I think our 5 drives and a kick are a myth. We have certainly played more expansive rugby this season.
However the results or league positioning do not lie.'"
We have definitely gone away from 5 drives and a kick and have been more exciting to watch this season (although some off the offloads have been a bit crazy) but as Marfa says look where it has got us in terms of league position.
Do we want an entertaining team or do we want to win matches? Obviously the answer is both but how do we achieve that? I think we all know the answer to that! |
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Its a really interesting point I think. Hull have been terribly average for 4 years, the first of those seasons we were genuinely shocking. However I remember one season were we lost 70% of our games by less than a try. likewise this year all those stats look great.
Also if you head to the player stats section of the rugby league website compare Tom Briscoe to most wingers and he's technically amazing, likewise with Danny Houghton.
Our Stats are often good.
What I think this season has shown is that we can can seriously put weak teams to the sword. Something we couldn't do in 08 and 09. However we can't beat the big teams. We lack finesse and guile and genuine class.
We haven't beaten Leeds in ten outings, Quins have.
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| Quote: Cardiff_05 "Not been on here for a while as have been on holiday, but was catching up with a few articles on the official website and a couple stood out in particular.
The following stats were mentioned in these two articles (
Stats do not lie but they can also be very misleading. 10 from 15 is wrong because it would be 9-1-5 from 15. In that period we also managed a run of 4 defeats from 5 games (1 a cup game), so it offers differing pictures depending on which way you look at it. As well as the majority of those 9 we won being bottom half opposition.
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whether stats do, or don't lie, the table certainly doesn't.
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Statistics are like a woman in a bikini: what they show is interesting but it's what they hide that's vital
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| Quote: cod'ead "Statistics are like a woman in a bikini
Some bikinis hide very little  
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| Quote: hullbg "As well as the majority of those 9 we won being bottom half opposition.'"
Of course had we lost them we would have been much lower down as a result. That's why it's just as important to beat bottom half opposition - that keeps them below you. Fantastic the way these leagues work really. |
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| Quote: Staffs FC "Of course had we lost them we would have been much lower down as a result. That's why it's just as important to beat bottom half opposition - that keeps them below you. Fantastic the way these leagues work really.'"
No poop Sherlock. Can point out where i say results against the lower placed teams are immaterial? |
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| Quote: hullbg "No poop Sherlock. Can point out where i say results against the lower placed teams are immaterial?'"
Not until you point out where I said you did. |
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I too was shocked when I saw some of Hull's stats on SL website:
- 4th most tries
- 4th most metres
- 3rd most carries
- 2nd most offloads
- 4th most tackle busts
- 3rd most clean breaks
Looking at this you wonder how we can be 8th in the league.
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| Quote: tommyfromhull "I too was shocked when I saw some of Hull's stats on SL website
Because we lost games narrowly that we should have won, most of them against teams with even better stats. Plus we've pasted one or two of the teams below us this season which we've failed to do before.
This is why stats without context are misleading. Looking at those we should be a top 4 side but we fall just short far too often. That's down to the coach IMO.
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| Quote: Kosh "Because we lost games narrowly that we should have won, most of them against teams with even better stats. Plus we've pasted one or two of the teams below us this season which we've failed to do before.
This is why stats without context are misleading. Looking at those we should be a top 4 side but we fall just short far too often. That's down to the coach IMO.'"
Same old story, isn't it? Should have beaten teams we didn't and narrowly lost to others. |
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| Quote: tommyfromhull "I too was shocked when I saw some of Hull's stats on SL website
Take Manu out of our team and you can forget them last 3 stats.
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Without Manu we'd be -
Joint 5th tries
6th metres
8th carries
4th in Offloads
5th tackle busts
5th clean breaks
Not that this changes much but I think it proves (not that it was ever in doubt) that Manu is very much an important player for us & will be missed when he retires/changes clubs.
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| Quote: Manface5000 "Without Manu we'd be -
Joint 5th tries
6th metres
8th carries
4th in Offloads
5th tackle busts
5th clean breaks
Not that this changes much but I think it proves (not that it was ever in doubt) that Manu is very much an important player for us & will be missed when he retires/changes clubs.'"
Fantastic player - slightly fewer minutes for even more impact and he'd be devastating IMO. |
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