Trouble is Kosh, its not the upper class thats the problem, its the middle classes thats the problem. Besides too many people like to think they are middle class, most are working class but they like to think they are middle class.



Agreed

But don't start me on new labour

He was a councillor in Hull 25 years ago. Hardly fair to judge all councillors based on his actions. Are you seriously suggesting that only Labour councillors have abused their position?

How exactly are the middle classes the problem? Come to that, what's your definition of middle class?


They weren't a total right-off but they got it badly wrong on too many occasions. Mind you, they're beginning to look like a super-competent wonder government in comparison to this shower.

What money ?

They have to work within the budget, cuts will have to be made in other area's to fund care homes etc.

They demolished the Boulevard and no stadium will ever be back there, any sale of the KC would release money for capital projects say for new stadiums for both RL clubs. The Allams want the KC for nothing and thats not going to happen is it, they are not as easily threatened as Minns.

Elliot Morley is a disgrace no arguing with that one.

Yes he was on the council at one time, he was also a teacher at Greatfield school. Rotten apples appear everywhere and we should all be vigilant on those who would rip us off.

Sod all this argueing about tuition fees and all the other bollox

Im just hoping they cancel 6million pound loans for white elephants in the east

From a Marxist point of view they are the descendants of the18/ 19 century who became rich through commerce, trade etc. They love hunting, private medicine + schools, they think they run the country, Many of us suspect that they have 95% of the wealth of this country and the rest of get zero including the uppper classes. I do actually know a Lord quite well and we share many similar views, he thinks I have more disposable income then he has.

Too many working class upstarts think they are middle class because they have been either sharp in business, pop stars or the worst footballers.

so if you start as working class you cannot move to middle class?

The Marxist POV isn't perhaps one that is widely held nowadays though. To me the middle classes are the 'professions' doctors, lawyers, senior managers - or their kids at least. I think you're stuck with what you're born to, as those are your formative experiences. My mum thinks that you can become middle class - and would cite as evidence the fact that I like the sit-com Outnumbered before anything I've achieved in my work life.



The emergence of a much bigger white collar, non-unionised working class has changed people's perceptions of themselves.

You lost me at Marxist I'm afraid. And "working class upstarts"? WTF? Don't you think that's just a tad arrogant and judgemental?

WTF is this thread allowed? If I posted something about another rugby team it would be locked but because a mod is involved in the bickering (and he's wrong again BTW

) then it's allowed to continue. I thought the sin bin was the place for political debate?

a real lol moment




I do not even recognise any class system, it is just b0llox!!! I bleed the same as the next human no matter how much money they may or may not have.

Course you can't its a matter of breeding and schooling.




I am working class, I know what my ancestors did and where they lived back into the early 1700s and I suspect everyone else is on here as well. They have pretensions to be middle class, but they are not and never will be.