if it makes you feel the dobbins arnt in financial trouble by commenting on fc then by all means go on,

If FC were a restaurant you'd just go to the restaurant across the street. Where are you going to go to watch rugby? KR , Donny , Wakey? You've made an emotional - and financial - investment in Hull FC and that makes it way different to any other "buyers market".
I agree though what Pearson is saying , like food from a poor restaurant , sticks in the throat!

We are in the best financial position since the back to back championship team of the 83 and 84 seasons.The best news is yet to be disclosed,thanks for your concern anyway and always remember what goes around,comes around,and maybe now it has.

If a club paying a peppercorn rent, Super League funding, 7,500 gates and playing more games than most other teams, can't make money, our problems are trivialised in comparison.

I think you'll find the majority of RL clubs are in financial trouble just with different levels of nervousness about the major backer where the cash is coming from. Financially this will probably be our best year since promotion with the CF money but I reckon it'll still be a loss which is always worrying.

The thing is that as fans we will never know how bad that trouble is until it goes bang. You've got AP saying that its a bad situation and I think the comparison with NH was a good comparison just that they are approaching it in a different manner. NH's was a rallying call to investors with a byline to let the fans know it was bad, Ap has addressed the fans with a byline to investors.

Bottom line is I think we all realise that RL is never a game where anyone is going to make big bucks off the back of it.

I'm beginning to warm to you, but that doesn't mean we're engaged, or anything, plus I'll always dislike your pestilential club

fair comment barham

Well that's pretty clear, but why did you think anything that comes out of the HDM is accurate and how did you get to your £2.5M less income over that period? because even with a 1,000 per match average drop over 4 years that still wouldn't tally up, not even close.
FYI I took the attendances straight from the club which obvs includes pass sales, attending or not it doesn't matter as the income is in the bag either way.
We also had the biggest attendance for the derby game at the KC this year since before 2011, it was 2,403 up on last year in fact, 750 more than 2011.
I'm sick of all this BS being spun, passes have increased in price since 2011 and with the aggregate attendance only dropping off 3% since that time plus all the extra money from the cup games in 2013 this massive drop off in income from fans through the door over said 4 year period is !

Isn't the sky money going up significantly this year too due to the new contract? Another £400k per club per year from memory.

1k per match per year for 4 years adds up to 10k (4*1k+3*1k+2*1k+1*1k).
So, over the 4 year period, the equivalent of 10k people didn't attend a single game.
In pass sales that could be as much as £2.5.
If attendances have only gone down by 3% then I'll stick with the HDM figures.

You need to go back to school and learn some basic maths.
Aggregate attendaces, that's how many actually were counted by THE CLUB each year, if you don't believe me you can check it for yourself except you couldn't be d and are now making yourself look foolish.

Here you go
[u2011[/u 12513, 10422, 11032, 11856, 11346, 19754, 11933, 11274, 11139, 11699, 11729, 10739, 16121 Agg 161,557
[u2012[/u 12710, 10096, 11105, 10705, 11673, 18979, 11549, 11677, 11727, 11412, 10776, 10769, 11607 Agg 154,515
[u2013[/u 10952, 10712, 11852, 19064, 10065, 11403, 11490, 11901, 10000, 10986, 10500, 11180, 11250 Agg 151,355
[u2014[/u 10178, 11307, 10386, 9821, 9515, 9538, 10088, 10539, 12328, 9959, 10214. 18104, 11964 Agg 143,891
[u2015[/u 12002, 10887, 20507, 11994, 9295, 9930, 9385, 10320, 9558, 10949, 10787, 10649, 9322, 10832 Agg 156,417
We had two home play off games, one in 2012, the other in 2013, we did not have a play off game in 2011 so we had that extra income (not included in pass sales rememeber!) & actually the aggregate was higher in 2012 than 2011. And yes we have had the extra home game included in the pass this year but I never once said this wasn't the case.
If you can't accept the facts that's your problem and you're in denial that certain people are making stuff up, keep beleiving in their fairy stories!

So we've lost 10,000 fans per game? Are you pearson's business adviser

If we are that skint, would we run an under 23s side?

You're as bad as bumpy - read what I said.

We've lost 10k fans over a period of 4 years for every single game.

1k down 4 years ago means a total of 4k didn't go over a period of 4 years to every game.
Another 1k down 3 years ago means 3k didn't go over a period of 3 years to every game.
etc

Adds up to a total of 10k didn't go over a 4 year period to every single game.

And if bumpy is reading this, I was replying to your comment...



so you need to go back to school and learn how to read.

Hope you don't feel too foolish, but you must be used to it by now.

The problem is Pearson forgets we have been here longer than him, some more than others. Look at the team we had under Agar, it was pitiful to watch. Yet here we are years down the line with another clown in charge. I really don't want to be pessimistic but the majority of fans are walking cause of the coach, the new signings look great but if the captain of the ship should really be down in the galley cooking breakfast then the whole job is b%ll%ed.
As someone has already said if you brought a top coach in tomorrow he would sell a couple of thousand passes without even opening his mouth.
Look at Cas, man for man who would you swap from our team, not many, yet they consistently perform at a much higher level and compete with an inferior team. That's because they have a coach

Why apologise? Typical chip on shoulder vitriolic response from bitter and twisted rovers fan.

Just trying to be polite and avoid the [uSERIOUSLY SAD [/uear bashing I got last time I posted

I think what ccs means is something like this (using totally hypothetical figures as I cba looking anything up):

2011 - ave att of 14,000 per game
2012 - 13,000
2013 - 12,000
2014 - 11,000
2015 - 10,000

Using again a completely made up figures of £15 per person and 13 home games a year:
vs 2015's average:
2011 - 4,000 x 13 x £15
2012 - 3,000 x 13 x £15
2013 - 2,000 x 13 x £15
2014 - 1,000 x 13 x £15

So, he's saying over a 4-year period, 2015 vs 2011 if we'd have kept gate receipts at 2011's level, we'd have £x more in the bank. Not saying he or the figures are correct mind, just that's how he's done his workings

Not commented on this subject until now


Ultimately im disappointed with the team, more so with pearson sticking with radford, still not cutting it for me

It wont stop me renewing next season as i am thankful we gave a team to support atm, its easy to criticise pearson on his decisions interviews etc but ateod nobody else would have bought the club or looks like buying the club

Weve had lloyd who was far worse than Pearson, kath and her cronies who had no intention of taking the club futher or investing into it, out of those who would people want?

You cant force people to buy passes but whilst not agreeing with what pearson said about fans killing the club if we dont turn up, we are part of that jigsaw that keeps the club going, so in a way we are hurting our club by not renewing, which everyone has the right not too, but our investment is atm a fraction of what pearson has put in

D&GM
Except the figures I've stated are taken straight from the club itself which clearly show that the drop is nothing like what the HDM state. Given the increases in pass costs - 2011 the cheapest was £195 I think, this season it was £260, juniors is now £90, in 2011 it was £45 IIRC the total net revenue is not that much difference and not even close to being the £2.5M ccs keeps banging on about.
It's royally hacked me off the way Pearson is making out he's a pauper and that he's saying in a veiled way the future of the club is in the fans hands and by not turning up we (the fans) are putting the club in jeopardy, I find that extremely offensive!

As I said, I'm just helping to explain what ccs mean't, where his 10k came from, and the working he probably used.

Lets face it. You find many things offensive, particularly those people who don't agree with your view of things.

I think you need to have a sit down and think about what you're trying to say. In 2011, our average attendance was 12400 according to bumpy's figures, which I assume are correct. Are you suggesting we've lost 10k of these attendees every game for the last 4 years?

The real flaw in your "logic" (Ignoring the fact that your 14k to 10k attendances never happened), is that you're counting people multiple times. Of the 4k who supposedly no longer attend, you're counting them all as not being at every game, plus 3k of them again for 2 years, 2k for 3 years and 1k for 4 years. If you can't see that's plainly wrong then you really shouldn;t be questioning the intelligence of anyone else

I think he is trying to say £250 x 10,000 is £2.5m. So I guess 2500 passes per annum @ £250.

I know what he's trying to say but what he actually said is:

Adds up to a total of 10k didn't go over a 4 year period to every single game

His figures are wrong anyway, he has ignored VAT, ignored the fact that not everyone who is no longer attending isn't an adult, ignored the intervening price increases and ignored the fact that we have an income sharing agreement with the SMC. The figure of £2.5m is way off the mark.

According to bumpy's figures, we've lost a total of 40050 supporters through the gate in total in the last 4 seasons, if we use 2011 attendance figures as a baseline. Ignoring the extra game in 2015 and any intervening price rises, let's take an average ticket price of £18 which is likely on the high side. This would be £15 after VAT, giving a gross income loss of approx £600k over the 4 seasons. I'm not sure what the current income sharing scheme is with the SMC but if it's still 50/50 then we've "lost" a maximum of £300k (and likely a fair bit less) in ticket income over the period in question. Some way off the £2.5m reported