so, you are proof that it can be done. I suspect, unlike many, you went to University to get an education, not to fill a gap between 18/19 and 21/22 where you didn't really know what you wanted to do.

threads like this will run forever and ever because it's just opinion, there isn't any actual answer as to the correct way to fund anything, just best efforts, and people's opinions are coloured by how those efforts affect them.

Oh, BTW - define 'afford'.

Lets get a few things straight.

1. The new administration will have to work within the budget, they can not increase either spending or put up the tax, that is already set out.

2. No one will be forced out of a job with the counci.

3. No council run care homes WILL BE CLOSED

4. Money will be found to top up funding for the Albemarle Music centre, this will mean.

These are promises that will be kept the Labour party has to honour its debt to the people of the city. No more promises on things they can not deliver, a different breed of Labour is emerging a more caring, involved and one living in the real world. We have to ensure that they keep there promises and listen to the citizens of Hull and do not fall into the traps of the past when Labour had 59 out of 60 seats.

Lets not make any mistake about the increases in student fees, it was political one born out of the middle classes wanting there Uni's back for there children only. Make no mistake about the Hull results this was mainly the population of Hull ridding itself of an unpopular leader and his cohorts.

The No to AV this afternoon sends out further messages to all politicians of all persuasions, they have to tidy up there acts. We need full PR and not some wishy washy AV voting system that allows losers to win. The count has now started for the next general election and in the next few months I expect the Tory's to call a snap one, to rid themselves of the orange clad warriors and get in before the full cuts bite deep.

If you believe that then fine, we'll see what a shambles HCC is in 12 months time.