Is playing Jack Charles classed as a roll of the dice or a smart choice. I’ve seen him play 3-4 times and looked good as a Hb but defensively fragile. What was he like against hudds defensively.

I think I’d like to see us go

1. Hoy
6 Charles
7. Smith
9. Brown

Our best chance is to get the pack on top and quick PTB with NU getting to play. I’m not as critical of DH as others but it’s fair to say he lacks zip and that’s probably why what we need

Scrap Tony's chuck it round philosophy, we need to earn the right to do that. Get back to 5 hard drives and a decent kick at the end of each set.

We need to score first otherwise heads will drop very quickly and it'll be a long afternoon.

An article by John Davidson below. Some insights on Gareth Ellis time at the club. Worth a read. https://www.patreon.com/posts/100609470?pr=true

An article by John Davidson below. Some insights on Gareth Ellis time at the club. Worth a read. https://www.patreon.com/posts/100609470?pr=true

Quote ="LifeLongHKRFan"An article by John Davidson below. Some insights on Gareth Ellis time at the club. Worth a read. https://www.patreon.com/posts/100609470?pr=true'" Damming. Just about every word is the truth.

Quote ="LifeLongHKRFan"An article by John Davidson below. Some insights on Gareth Ellis time at the club. Worth a read. https://www.patreon.com/posts/100609470?pr=true'" Damming. Just about every word is the truth.

Quote ="LifeLongHKRFan"An article by John Davidson below. Some insights on Gareth Ellis time at the club. Worth a read. https://www.patreon.com/posts/100609470?pr=true'" Great article and to anyone questioning whether there is a culture issue at the club, read Ellis's words and try to deny it after that.

Quote ="LifeLongHKRFan"An article by John Davidson below. Some insights on Gareth Ellis time at the club. Worth a read. https://www.patreon.com/posts/100609470?pr=true'" Great article and to anyone questioning whether there is a culture issue at the club, read Ellis's words and try to deny it after that.

I’ve seen four robins this week. Feel like telling them there’s no need for omens when the result is nailed on.

Quote ="LifeLongHKRFan"An article by John Davidson below. Some insights on Gareth Ellis time at the club. Worth a read. https://www.patreon.com/posts/100609470?pr=true'" Didn't think i could be any more downbeat for tomorrow, yet here we are, Cheers

Quote ="LifeLongHKRFan"An article by John Davidson below. Some insights on Gareth Ellis time at the club. Worth a read. https://www.patreon.com/posts/100609470?pr=true'" Didn't think i could be any more downbeat for tomorrow, yet here we are, Cheers

Like to see his citation for where he mentions the conflict between the club, the SMC and Hull CC.

Quote ="LifeLongHKRFan"An article by John Davidson below. Some insights on Gareth Ellis time at the club. Worth a read. https://www.patreon.com/posts/100609470?pr=true'" “We’re all doomed, Captain Mainwaring” Even Gareth Ellis couldn’t motivate some players, TS sure as hell can’t. WTF is going on at the club

Quote ="LifeLongHKRFan"An article by John Davidson below. Some insights on Gareth Ellis time at the club. Worth a read. https://www.patreon.com/posts/100609470?pr=true'" “We’re all doomed, Captain Mainwaring” Even Gareth Ellis couldn’t motivate some players, TS sure as hell can’t. WTF is going on at the club

Quote ="Roam Ranger" Quote ="LifeLongHKRFan"An article by John Davidson below. Some insights on Gareth Ellis time at the club. Worth a read. https://www.patreon.com/posts/100609470?pr=true'" Great article and to anyone questioning whether there is a culture issue at the club, read Ellis's words and try to deny it after that.'" I'd say that is a pretty fair piece by Davidson and thoroughly depressingly honest in all of the subjects he touches on. I think its sadly further evidence in to just how poorly run the club is from top to bottom and that Clark as a CEO really is a faceless wonder. After reading that piece I really don't see a way back for the club if I am being honest as there doesn't seem to be anybody that gives a poop or holds anyone to account.

Quote ="Roam Ranger" Quote ="LifeLongHKRFan"An article by John Davidson below. Some insights on Gareth Ellis time at the club. Worth a read. https://www.patreon.com/posts/100609470?pr=true'" Great article and to anyone questioning whether there is a culture issue at the club, read Ellis's words and try to deny it after that.'" I'd say that is a pretty fair piece by Davidson and thoroughly depressingly honest in all of the subjects he touches on. I think its sadly further evidence in to just how poorly run the club is from top to bottom and that Clark as a CEO really is a faceless wonder. After reading that piece I really don't see a way back for the club if I am being honest as there doesn't seem to be anybody that gives a poop or holds anyone to account.

And the RFL have banned him for one game just to rub salt into the wound.

Completely agree. Aside from a potential warming of relations re the stadium everything else seems spot on.

Nobody can argue against that piece by Davidson, all journalists seem to be singing from the same hymm sheet in regards to the state of the club.
Kyle amor going as far to say we're not a big club anymore, just a bottom four regular club.

Its interesting isn't it and I would recommend everyone reads Gareths book as it is excellent. And despite the fact that we have a squad so much weaker than that of even a few years ago tperhaps at last we have an answer to the connundrum of why despite the fact that players coaches and backroom staff come and go the same culture runs through the the club year on year. The banter stuff where players don't know when to end it and when to be serious. That for me explains a lot attitude wise out on the pitch because it does look like a joke to some of them. The place is just a mess. and once again Clark and Adam asked by Davidson to comment but refuse.

I use to think eastenders was depressing
It reminds be of the frankie Howard
Up Pompeii sketch on here..
( I know I’m showing my age ).
Could be worse I suppose ,
Bonaire and cuddle club (meme)
wont like this but
I could find a club on poorhouse lane with three stands for a ground and a lot of pretence of being big time Charlie’s.

The fish rots from the Head - simple as that ! Adam has admitted he didn’t take a lot of interest in the past and likely not much now !

It’s like a badly run restaurant in Kitchen Nightmares where the owner has given up and microwaves the meals and the Head Chef (Tony) is trying to sell poorly cooked fancy French food for £50 a head on Gypsyville Est

It’s all wrong top to bottom

So for Friday - we don’t know how to score never mind win
We’re not set up to win and we can’t defend
Dobbins want it more as we seem to have stopped focusing on winning but rather producing some kind of woke team culture crap

I fear for the result as I’ve never seen softer tries than the ones v Leigh and Giants in the last 2 weeks

FC will have patches where they try hard but who cares ? They should try hard the whole damn match and that should be a given

All we need to do according to sofa coaches on here is
Drop Jordan Lane and select Balmforth at hooker , then it’s happy days and book old Trafford in October.
At risk of repeating myself ..
Let’s wait and see when we actually get the main bulk of our salary cap on the field.

Who, apart from Trueman would make a difference if they were playing tomorrow?

Be lucky to see the main bulk of salary cap on the field as a fair few of are injury prone and the rest are ill disciplined. Trueman, Hoy, Tuimavave, Sutcliffe, Cator, Scott have all missed a lot of games for us through injury, Houghton struggling this season too.

Injuries are part and parcel of the sport, but we don’t help ourselves signing crocks. Coupled with the lack of S&C staff. However, the discipline side of things should have been sorted out by now. What looks like a lack of fitness won’t help, consistently making errors forcing us to defend for large parts of games will contribute too. Something that should have been sorted by now.

Season is over before our only natural half back is back in full training. If only anyone could have foreseen this …

Exactly, Walker and at a push Fash. But the rest … meh.

Walker - all energy, always around the ball but wince everytime he gets tackled
Fash - better than the likes of Jack Brown but hardly a game changer
Tuimavave - lucky to see a game out
Cator - if playing 13, offers nothing Houghton wouldn’t and god forbid Smith tries him at 9

If and it’s a big if
We could get our best17 team on the pitch for 80 mins then yes we could match most teams.
Pele hadn’t played full game yet
Ese hasn’t played more than one game yet
Sutcliffe hasn’t played 3 games yet
Okunbor has been poor unfortunately
Cator Fash both did a lot of workmanlike tidying up defensive work .
Nu brown playing out of position hasn’t helped either

I’m not the biggest smith fan either but his hands are tied with what he’s got.
“ fans” constantly slagging on here calling local born players they are not good enough doesn’t do any good ..
Posters like Bonaire & cuddle club are dobbins in disguise that are winding others up.
Oh yes by the way
I’m not adam or Tony , I’m just ut just a fan that supported the club for 50 years

It’s so so easy to criticise
Not so easy to support though is it?

This is frightening - it made me gasp out loud :

In his book, Ellis wrote: "What we struggled to eradicate was what I would call the ‘banter’ culture at Hull. It had existed for as long as I had been at the club, not just taking the out of each other but, more worryingly, out of the values you pretend to uphold. At the top clubs, they know when the banter ends and the serious stuff begins."

And this :

Former halfback Jake Clifford had this to say recently about the standards at Hull FC in 2023. When asked on Australian radio if he could compare a pre-season in England and Australia, he said: “No chance. Pre-season in England was a piece of really compared to what we go through here.”

I think I read a different forum to you.

All I've read is a desire to see Balmforth given opportunities on the basis we are poor in the area he may shine.