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| Quote ="wolfie"considering we have had to get through a massive injury crisis again aswel,plus the fact we havent played many games with our first choice half backs and what we have had to deal with calders been out for so long, im very happy were we are and i think we can push on now and climb the table even higher.'"
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| Quote ="Locko's Luck"OR!!! Are we seeing a little more consistency from the coach of late?
Some of the results have been terrible this season; Crusaders and Salford to name just two, but if you look at other teams such as Saints and also Leeds they've had their 'ups and downs' this season as well, all this with so called "quality coaches" I think sometimes we have to face up to the facts that the personnel we have on the pitch at times are not good enough.
Ask any level headed Hull Fc fan what we've needed over the last few years or more and they should reply, "Playmakers"
Playmakers that can control a game and importantly their own team. Imo we have too many headless chickens in our team (runners) and not enough players who can change a game or the even the direction of play instinctively.
Play makers are the energy of a team; directing, controlling and calling plays, vital plays like the last tackle. This is a simple area we’ve been guilty of ignoring in the recent past, and then you look at Friday night’s game where we scored off those plays and start to appreciate this ‘special’ type of player. I watched Longy call the shots on Friday, telling seasoned players like Fitzgibbon and O’Meley etc where to stand and run. If only he was 10 years younger.
Please don’t misconstrue this as pro Agar as he still has a lot to do to win me over in regards of his overall ability, but I will give him the respect he is long overdue for a fantastic win.'"
Good post.
I said at the start of the season that I'd consider a top 8 finish excellent progress from the last two seasons and so far we're exceeding my expectations by some margin. I still think that Agar has areas of weakness as a coach but you can't argue with results and he deserves credit just as he gets flak when we fail.
I think we need to put the whole 'Agar out' issue to one side now. It's making this board a joke at times with people looking around for negatives even when we win. There is a difference between realism and unjustified negativity - far too many are unable to make this distinction.
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| Quote ="Jake the Peg"There's no humble pie fodder in there mate. I'd stick by all of it. Thanfully saints were much further than full strenght than we were on Friday or the result may have been very different.
Do you think a comeback win with a late drop goal suddenly means we're a great side and agar is a great coach? They lost their last away game at salford FFS'"
So injuries are an ok excuse for other sides we beat but Agar can't use them when we lose? 
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| Quote ="Uncle Junior"Thought I ought to stick my head above the parapet!
Im not fickle.'"
We'll be the judge of that!
Anyway, in case depression sets in................................
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| Quote ="Kosh"
I said at the start of the season that I'd consider a top 8 finish excellent progress from the last two seasons '"
I'd consider a 7th or 8th place finish an underachievement with the squad we have. We should expect to finish 6th, with anything higher a bonus.
As regards Agar, I mentioned on the other thread about mental toughness. In the not too distant mast we would have folded at 26-6 down and got absolutely stuffed. That we didn't must, at least in part, be down to Agar.
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| Quote ="PAUL M"So injuries are an ok excuse for other sides we beat but Agar can't use them when we lose?
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it's looking that way 
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| If I may quote from Long`s book,
"Three clubs were after me,Wakefield,Huddersfield and Hull.But of the three Richard Agar the Hull gaffer was most on my wavelength."
Wigan also threw their hat in the ring.
My point is players ,who are the closest to Agar as far as tactics etc go,seem to be all for him as a coach.
As far as I am concerned I can take or leave Agar,but 4th in the table (at the mo) isn`t bad.I would have snatched it last season.
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| Quote ="barton baird"If I may quote from Long`s book,
"Three clubs were after me,Wakefield,Huddersfield and Hull.But of the three Richard Agar the Hull gaffer was most on my wavelength."
Wigan also threw their hat in the ring.
My point is players ,who are the closest to Agar as far as tactics etc go,seem to be all for him as a coach.
As far as I am concerned I can take or leave Agar,[ubut 4th in the table (at the mo) isn`t bad.I would have snatched it last season.'"
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| Quote ="jimmyfivebellies"[/u
and the season before!!'"
I wanted to forget that!  ...................................... 
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| Quote ="wolfie"Are you not content that we are 4th in the league and only 2 points behind 3rd spot??
considering we have had to get through a massive injury crisis again aswel,plus the fact we havent played many games with our first choice half backs and what we have had to deal with calders been out for so long, im very happy were we are and i think we can push on now and climb the table even higher.
tbh at the beginning of the season with the new squad we have and players we released id of said we should finish in the top 4,but then when you look back at the previous 2 seasons a top 8 finish would of been classed as a successful season in my opinion,the thing is with hull fans we want immediate success and it isnt going to happen.
also may i add to people who ask the question about what players have improved under agar,heres just a few,tom briscoe current international,richard whiting has improved massively,danny houghton who will be our 1st choice number 9 for many years to come,also we could see tansey pushing for international honours.
cant be that much of a bad coach can he.
but like ive said many times people are entitled to there opinions.'"
All fair points, much more reasoned than your usual cheerleading  . Maybe he'll prove to be not as bad as I believe he is, but the fact remains that there are other coaches out there who would have given us better results if they'd been appointed when Agar was.
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Quote ="withernsea zebra"We'll be the judge of that!
Anyway, in case depression sets in................................ '"
 Withernsea dimwit in unimaginative repetition shocker.
I imagine being from your part of the world you missed a lot of schooling for one reason or another, here's a handy definition to help you out: dictionary.reference.com/browse/fickle
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Anyway, in case depression sets in................................ '"
 Withernsea dimwit in unimaginative repetition shocker.
I imagine being from your part of the world you missed a lot of schooling for one reason or another, here's a handy definition to help you out: dictionary.reference.com/browse/fickle
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| Quote ="Uncle Junior"All fair points, much more reasoned than your usual cheerleading
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It's not a fact its an opinion.
It is an opinion I share however 
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| Quote ="jimmys sidestep"It's not a fact its an opinion.
It is an opinion I share however
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I imagine being from your part of the world you missed a lot of schooling for one reason or another, here's a handy definition to help you out: dictionary.reference.com/browse/fickle'"
I'd wager your pretty good at doing this,
Possibly the 'handy definition' your most familiar with?
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I imagine being from your part of the world you missed a lot of schooling for one reason or another, here's a handy definition to help you out: dictionary.reference.com/browse/fickle'"
I'd wager your pretty good at doing this,
Possibly the 'handy definition' your most familiar with?
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| Quote ="Uncle Junior"Fair point!
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no probs.....anyone with a Junior Soprano avatar is fine by me 
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| Quote ="Uncle Junior"Yep, for all that his supporters talk about giving him a chance or how he's learning on the job and improving etc, the fact remains he's simply not the best man for the job.'"
And Nathan Brown is??????? 
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| Quote ="FC Wembley 08"And Nathan Brown is???????
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Don't worry about him!
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| Quote ="FC Wembley 08"And Nathan Brown is???????
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I don't recall mentioning Nathan Brown, but yes if he offered to to come and coach FC tomorrow I'd bite his hand off!
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| Quote ="Uncle Junior"I don't recall mentioning Nathan Brown, but yes if he offered to to come and coach FC tomorrow I'd bite his hand off!'"
Just let it go...we just did the double on Saints ffs
Will Nathan Brown achieve that this year 
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| Quote ="berrigans bitch"Just let it go...we just did the double on Saints ffs
Will Nathan Brown achieve that this year
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Yes you're right, we did the double over Saints so everything in the garden is rosy. Also Agar is a better coach than NB, after all we did the the double over Saints!
I respect a lot of what you say on here but like a lot of posters you only base your opinions on the last 2 or 3 games, others prefer to take a view based on the bigger picture.
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| Quote ="fc baldy"Jesus...cant believe im going to agree with you but you are smack on the money with that one peggy old bean.
I would love to see Agar prove us all wrong....yes he got the changes right v Sts and the 2nd half was superb......but still think if we had a Maguire,Smith or a Brown...we would be higher and more consistent.'"
Quote ="Uncle Junior"Yep, for all that his supporters talk about giving him a chance or how he's learning on the job and improving etc, the fact remains he's simply not the best man for the job.'"
Quote ="Uncle Junior"I don't recall mentioning Nathan Brown, but yes if he offered to to come and coach FC tomorrow I'd bite his hand off!'"
Not directly, no........ But by 'yep' i was assuming you agreed with the post which you quoted!!
And yer, i'd love Nathan Brown in charge... I'd love a coach to come in, take us a few 'small' steps forward then feck off and leave us in the as he watches our season collapse around our ears!! 
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| Quote ="Uncle Junior"Yes you're right, we did the double over Saints so everything in the garden is rosy. Also Agar is a better coach than NB, after all we did the the double over Saints!
I respect a lot of what you say on here but like a lot of posters you only base your opinions on the last 2 or 3 games, others prefer to take a view based on the bigger picture.'"
I bet your knelt at the bottom of your bed tonight  ing that Nathan and Huddersfield turn us over in a couple of weeks. 
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| Quote ="Uncle Junior"Yes you're right, we did the double over Saints so everything in the garden is rosy. Also Agar is a better coach than NB, after all we did the the double over Saints!
I respect a lot of what you say on here but like a lot of posters you only base your opinions on the last 2 or 3 games, others prefer to take a view based on the bigger picture.'"
No I do not base my opinions on the last 2 or 3 games...I have had big reservations, however he is with us for 2 more years and I will give credit where it is due, he has got us some good results lately and whilst he does this, or even loses where I can feel my team put in every effort I will get behind him and the lads..
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| Quote ="berrigans bitch"No I do not base my opinions on the last 2 or 3 games...I have had big reservations, however he is with us for 2 more years and I will give credit where it is due, he has got us some good results lately and whilst he does this, or even loses where I can feel my team put in every effort I will get behind him and the lads..'"
I agree with all those sentiments (although I admit I struggle to get behind Agar himself in any way) I'm just saying that IMO there are far better coaches out there and pretending otherwise doesn't help anything. If Agar goes on to prove that the immense amount of faith the board have shown in his ability is justified then fair play to him and we will all benefit from it as fans, but doing the double over Saints doesn't achieve that for me (although it is an encouraging sign).
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