no response from Knocker's again, surprised (not in the slightest)

Agree what Radford is good at is he knows when to give them a breather and a break from the first team, doesn't run them into the ground look at Lane, Downs, Fash and Masi when there form drops a little they are rested.

Indeed, I asked him to list all the young players that we failed to develop and have let go that have gone on to improve their careers elsewhere and funnily enough, I've not had a reply.

For crying out loud, anyone with an ounce of sense would look at where we are now compared to 6 years ago and agree that AP with Radford & Motu have done an great job turning round the club to attain silverware and build a genuine contender for success.

Had AP listened to Gentle & not Radford (who fought for them) then Shaul & Lineham would have been gone and two overated Aussies in McDonnell & Youngquest would have been here instead.

Where are all the young players that Hull FC have binned off such as Crooks, Cunningham, Lancaster, Dean and could even add Luke Briscoe to that list? All playing Championship level at best. We lost the likes of Josh Hodgson as at the time we had Swain and Houghton as understudy who can play 80mins. With a tight salary cap we can't keep every player no matter who they are and Hodgson needed to go for his game or just become a bench warmer.
You go on bumpy as if all the juniors are harshly treated and do not get a chance, but the facts are they get given a chance when they are ready not before.
Its also interesting to note that when you look at the top 3 clubs for churning out talent such as Leeds, Wigan & St's none of them have the plethora of talent coming through of late only a small handful of which the best they keep the rest are loaned or allowed to go.

Take Bowden and Green as another pair who since Radford became Head Coach actually developed and improved in a short space of time and have been an important and integral part of the recent success.
As for Jack Logan who has been very unfortunate with injury, however the nature sport meant he got knocked down the pecking order and is rightly behind the like of Connor, Griffin & Carlos but he is still young and part of the club.

Not all young players that show talent fulfill that potential.

No one can be unhappy at the progress that has been made within the club of nurturing home grown players for Hull FC.

If you'd told me 6 years ago that we'd be going to Wembley in consecutive years i'd have laughed at you. If you told me that we'll win on both visits i'd have asked you what you've been taking.

I really don't think they're doing too bad a job.

Interesting that it’s only since the Cup exit that Bumpy has really ramped up his criticisms of the club.

Whilst we were on the cup run, Bumpy had absolutely nothing in Joan locker to argue with. Now that’s over he’s got his stick back to beat Radford with.

And yet we got to Wembley three times and a GF in the 6 years before AP took over the club, won one CC, unlucky in both the others due to a heap of injuries and outclassed in '06 by a top St.Helens side.
The only difference under AP's tenure is we've won one more trophy but been to 2 fewer finals.
The simple fact is we have less home grown talent in the starting XVII now than we did in the 2006 GF team which had EIGHT home grown players in the side.
Yeaman (22)
Cooke (25)
Horne (23)
Radford (27)
Washbrook (20)
Wheeldon (20)
G.Horne (23)
King (24)
I personally don't think we've improved in developing the youngsters, we've gone backwards, buying a team that was over the cap to win the CC is all well and good but it's not a long term sustainable plan and that has come home to oost last year and this, even former players like Kirk Dixon have said that our youngsters are not experienced enough/not up to scratch. As I've pointed out, it's not that there aren't good youngsters coming through but there has been a decidedly lack of quality players or development of players to come through the system in the last 6 years, especially considering the investments that have been made.

….. and he calls himself a Hull FC supporter - what a joke.

"Worst type of fan."

The previous owners only planned short term, they might have has a few more local players at a certain time, but invested no money in the youth, they were training at Gordan St Gym FFS.

Radford and AP have a long term plan, it has maybe taken a few more years than expected, but they are doing a great job, look at how many players are in the England set up (Knights included), he has improved loads of the current players.

Personally I don;t see getting to finals as success, I want to win them, as for being unlucky in 2013, you can't have been there, the performance certainly wasn't unlucky is was really poor.

In the past we have had a few stick up for knockers, but I think people are seeing him for what he is now.

Do you not wonder why not one Hull fan agrees with you.

I'll say it again, AP and Radford are doing a great job with the youth, 99.9% of fans will agree with that, you just hate Radford for some strange reason,

Radford knows more about when the players are ready than you or me.

I'll ask again , are you still involved with Rugby coaching, as you talk like you are?

This Quit the name calling, thank you. Karen doesn’t understand that youth takes time. Time from investment until 1st team.

Horne, Yeaman, Radford, Cooke and King all came through in the late 90’s/early 00’s, long before 2006.

Absolute And again.....

Did we? I thought Adam Pearson took over in July 2011. In the 6 years before he took over we got to Cardiff once (2005), Wembley once (200icon_cool.gif and Old Trafford once (2006). We won in Cardiff. Is that right?

Not really a surprise, he hasn't got s clue.