Some good valid points, I think our 5 drives and a kick are a myth. We have certainly played more expansive rugby this season.

However the results or league positioning do not lie.

Thanks for that Herr Goebbels

Of our first 10 league games, seven were defeats. Therefore, in the following 15 games, we only lost five. If we improve our start, and had begun playing the attacking rugby earlier in the season, our season would be markedly different.

I understand the reference, just not the application.

Been saying all season that people moaning about boring, 5 drives and a kick rugby haven't been watching the same team as me this season. We do look better with ball in hand, undoubtedly, and are looking to promote the ball much more than in previous seasons. We have also not been ted by the likes of Wigan and Warrington this season, which again is a positive.

The issue for me is our dismal failure to trouble anyone above us in the table, Wire away and Cats at home apart. It's unacceptable to be having a must win game this weekend to even get into the 8. Unacceptable. We lack the mental steel and composure to win key games under Agar, fully evidenced by our record against clubs above us, our failure to win a play-off game for 4 years and to beat SL competition in the cup in over 3. So in summary, we are more entertaining, for sure. But losing 5 of every 6 games against teams above us under Agar is simply unacceptable. Scoring more tries along the way is welcome, but the league table doesn't lie.

It would be different, however we have a coach who has had a few years to get his team together so there are no excuses for the poor start which has proven costly.......The thing that gutted me the most was losing in the cup to a very average Leeds team after the strong lead we had at h/time, we are pants in big games.

What percentage of those wins have been on a friday night?

Summed up perfectly, nothing I can add to that.

Given that 2 of the 5 fifty scores were against lowly opposition in the cup it is still only 3 and we've been dire when it mattered most. It is somewhat sychophantic that the club can spout this as a major plus point.

Spot on. The bad start followed by a decent run mostly just relates to when we've had our games against the decent sides. We lost 7 out of 10 because 5 of those games were against the current top 7, we've actually won 9 of the last 15, but it's been helped by the fact that we've only played 7 league games against the same teams in that period and managed the Wire and Catalans results. So we were still only really the 2 results better.

This year we've simply improved our results against the bottom half of SL, that's all.

the most important stat is that we are 8th in a 16 team league and may be 9th at the end. bottom half of the table is not acceptable for this team. we should be contesting 4th as a minimum given our resources, fan base and off field set up

It's actually 8th out of 14, so we're already in the bottom half. We need to catch Cas to make the top half.

Last year we won a number of close games (including against the better teams in the league) particularly at home. This year we have lost those games but generally beaten lower teams more convincingly. At the start of the season it was fashionable to post Agar's recent record of losses over the last x games. Less so now because as the OP stated 10 from the last 15 isn't bad.

We haven't won enough games at home this year (Wakefield/Cas being the costliest defeats). The style of play has been miles better thanks to the addition of more half back cover (Obst/Westerman) - we have ridden injury problems to Long and even Nicklas who would have played a lot of games otherwise. Overall we have neither gone forwards or backwards really which is a little disappointing.

This time last year we were looking like we could finish 4th, this year it's 7th at best and potentially 9th. I'd say that was backwards

It was the first two/three months that crippled us this year. Don't forget that we had planned to go into 2011 with Berrigan & Tansey, who both left fairly suddenly and we weren't able to replace straight away - I think this was a major factor.

Since then we've looked good (not great), and as the stats say, we've been putting some big points on teams. We've done this without Long (and the chunk of cap space that comes with him).

Should we start next season in a similar fashion and maintain it, we should be looking at top 4, we have the squad to do it (barring a forward or two which we'll hopefully sign).