league table round 21 2009

Pos Team P W L D F A P.D. Pts
1 St. Helens 22 17 5 0 679 382 297 34
2 Leeds 22 16 6 0 589 385 204 32
3 Huddersfield 22 15 7 0 548 344 204 30
4 Hull KR 22 13 8 1 514 428 86 27
5 Wigan 22 12 10 0 538 429 109 24
6 Castleford 22 12 10 0 496 529 -33 24
7 Wakefield 22 11 11 0 511 515 -4 22
8 Warrington 22 11 11 0 523 531 -8 22
9 Harlequins 21 10 11 0 489 491 -2 20
10 Catalans 21 9 12 0 481 550 -69 18
11 Hull FC 22 9 13 0 430 520 -90 18
12 Bradford 21 7 13 1 462 556 -94 15
13 Salford 21 6 15 0 338 596 -258 12
14 Celtic 22 3 19 0 307 649 -342 6


league table round 21 2010

Pos Team P W L D F A P.D. Pts
1 Wigan 21 18 3 0 746 328 418 36
2 Warrington 21 16 5 0 702 359 343 32
3 St. Helens 21 14 7 0 702 447 255 28
4 Hull FC 21 13 8 0 457 434 23 26
5 Leeds 21 12 8 1 553 467 86 25
6 Huddersfield 21 11 9 1 544 376 168 23
7 Hull KR 21 11 9 1 474 476 -2 23
8 Wakefield 21 9 12 0 453 503 -50 18
9 Castleford 21 9 12 0 482 586 -104 18
10 Bradford 21 8 12 1 394 503 -109 17
11 Crusaders 20 7 13 0 359 580 -221 14
12 Harlequins 20 6 14 0 376 620 -244 12
13 Salford 21 6 15 0 342 632 -290 12
14 Catalans 21 4 17 0 304 577 -273 8

i think its an improvement so i dont see why people are calling for agars head but just need to improve on the pitch a bit more

I agree with that Kosh but we all knew i t was a risk signing Long and Horne with his previous time out of the game was always going to be hard pressed to play a full season nevermind at a good standard. The fact we keep trying players in that position and failing is cause for concern when we have youngster who could probably do as good a job if not better.
Yes it is always hard to chuck youngsters in but with the experience around them and the experience they would gain from playing in some games it would be invaluable to the club in the future. Failing that bring in someone for a NL1 side, yes they wont be in the Long class but they will be playing in their position of choice rather than being asked to do something they are not accustomed to.

There was always a risk, but we had so much work to do on the squad that we had to focus on one area this season and IMO the right place to start was the pack. The availability of players will also have been a factor. It was a gamble but in some ways it has panned out OK in that we will be in the playoffs after two season stuck at the wrong end of the table. I realise that this isn't where we want to be, but I have a feeling that the club set a minimum target and we have hit it.

The real test will be what we do for next season and the one after. We have to address issues at halfback and centre/wing and we have to do that against a backdrop of everyone else being after the same players from a very limited pool of the required quality.

I don't know enough about our youngsters to know if any of them were a realistic option for halfback cover this season. I would agree about looking for someone from the Championship but again there are a limited number of candidates of the required quality and they are all much in demand. It's a difficult situation and it will take some creativity to address. I hope we have the ability to do that properly, because if we mess it up then we could easily be paying the price for years to come.

I know we had to replace the pack players that left last year but i don't think the pack was the biggest problem last year. The problem was the halfbacks, the forwards where doing the work on the pitch except they were being flogged by Agar and his mad 80 minute games for props idea.
We had the same problem last year that we do this year and that is scoring points, we had some cracks in defense but when a team is consistently on the back foot it makes those cracks seem far worse then they are.
Like i said we are doing better than last year but when you consider last year we vastly underperformed considering the players we had and this year i feel we are still underperforming to a large extent. With the turnaround in players i could accept it early in the season as people are finding their feet etc, but for me and a lot of supporters there really does not seem to be any corners turned.

The problem is no halfbacks Both be injured ..Leeds/Saints both went and going through the same problem ..Loose your main players you lose the momentum.Start getting upset when we have a full squad fit