For years there has been a lack of "ballplayers/ footballers" in the Hull team.Buying Long was a big step in the right direction, but he cannot do it all alone. At St. Helens he was surrounded by footballers. Agar seems obsessed with barging down the middle, trying to smash opposition into submission, but you need something else against modern defences.
In order to accommodate all our second rowers, Fitzgibbon is played at loose forward. He is a world class forward who has to play, but a natural loose forward with creative handling skills he is not,e.g. he rarely passes the ball! Lauaki, who creates more problems than he solves, must be dropped, and the OBVIOUS choice at loose forward has to be Whiting, young Super League player of the year in 2005, who is wasted filling in here there and everywhere away from the centre of the action. He has the class, is one of our few natural footballers, and is the best reader of a game in the club. With Whiting,Long, and Horne in the middle we might actually create something.
We still need to deepen our lines of attack, like most other good sides. We are far too flat, often chaotic, and the ball just cannot get to the wings, who, given enough good ball, would score lots of tries.
For those of you who think that the coach is not THAT important, look at how Brown, Maguire, and Millward have transformed Hudd, Wigan, and Leigh. At the end of last season, Leigh were heading towards Championship 1, and at the start of this season had their entire front row injured - look where they are now. Wigan have the same squad as last year!
Agar, your time is running out!
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I think is one of the best posts i've seen for a while and now it coincides with Agars new deal. So, it looks like our idea of playing without any ball handlers will continue then!

This is a really good post and very constructive.

I agree entirely about Whiting. People forget he was young plyer of the year.

On the subject of playing 13 as a pivot rather than effectively another second rower, we won the challege cup with three pivots, Horne, Brough in the halfs and some other player whose name I can't remember but was more of a half than a forward playing at thirteen.

Interestingly, in the playoffs, we beat Wire playing thi formation, then tried to match Bradford's forwards by playing only two pivots when we went there and got hammered (although people often forget we played with 12 men when they criticize Kear for that game, the real criticism should have been leaving Broughy out after he'd run Wire ragged the week before).

It was sharpe when he came in who stated publicly that one of the changes he wanted to make was playing with two pivots. It worked for a while, but really signalled the beginning of a decline into relying on forwards and the ball down the middle which seems to have become a bit endemic.

Maybe Agar should try whiting at 13 against some of the teams with smaller packs in the first instance and see how he goes. Another thing about Rich W at 13 is that he is a pretty tough tackler so I don't think we'd lose out too much, he's got all the aggression of anyone whose come out of post-office road.

Totally agree, we're still left with this safety first mentality aren't we. The present system may see us sneak into 6/7/8th position but we need something extra to re-establish ourselves as a top 4 club. Does Agar simply not have the confidence in his own ability to actually try and manufacture something? Whatever the reason, it beggars belief he has been offered 2 more years at this exact time.