Agree with the player responsibility thing completely.

Agar is however doing himself no favours in his team selection and interchange management. His two biggest failings for me. On the PR side he has to stop setting himself up to be caned. You dont go out saying that player's are under pressure for their places/senior players are letting you down etc. etc. then do nothing. You dont say that you want to play expansive rugby then send one of your only footballers to Widnes and drop the other one who could play LF to 18th man (and who puts it in week in week out) in exchange for playing a slow prop there. You don't lose a whole heap of matches and not try something different in selection and structure. Hull fans in general know their rugby and whilst we all have different ways of communicating our thoughts I don't think Agar or Rule should be in any doubt that the majority can see the failings and worse still can see when they are not being addressed.

Agar is not free from blame at all because he does control tactics, interchanges and selections etc, which have me baffled most weeks!

However the closenes of super league means that mistakes get punished and off the top of my head at Wakey in the first half we had Berro kick out on the full then knock on a risky Thackray offload - both in our half. Tickle and Radders giving away penalties on the 4th and 5th tackles - invite Wakey into our 40. Result 18v0 down and mountain to climb.

I want the senior players to stand up when things go against us not wait for the next man to grab the game by the scruff of the neck.

Good post.

I want out tactics to be correct and the small errors wouldnt matter. Most teams make them, we just dont have attacking plays etc to gloss over them like teams like saints.

Pi$$ poor practice results in pi$$ poor performance