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| OK, I'm far from Wakefield's biggest fans although having the best interest of the club at heart wouldn't it just be easy to both get together and sort the Stadium situation out? For example, what is wrong with finding a half-way point between Castleford and Wakefield and build a stadium there and share it? With both our recources we could easily do this and I really don't see the problem when you look at some of the Football teams sharing Stadiums (Inter-AC etc etc). We could therefore secure both our clubs future in SL and build teams capable of challenging for the top rather than struggling in the lower reaches?
I have been against groundsharing but now has come the time to seriously discuss it for the good of our future, don't you think?
(Sorry if this has been asked, I don't normally keep in touch in the off-season)
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| A quick question??
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| 'quick' question - short answer, no.
Sorry to sound rude, but I doubt you'll find anyone with the patience to go over all that again.
There are scores of stadium threads where all this is explained.
Do some research and find out how the respective stadia are being funded, then you will have your answer.
Although it seems the obvious solution with hindsight, the correct circumstances never occured and that ship sailed 5, if not 10 or more, years ago.
If the council had been funding it maybe they could have forced people's hands.
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| Quote: TheRevolution "OK, I'm far from Wakefield's biggest fans although having the best interest of the club at heart wouldn't it just be easy to both get together and sort the Stadium situation out? For example, what is wrong with finding a half-way point between Castleford and Wakefield and build a stadium there and share it? With both our recources we could easily do this and I really don't see the problem when you look at some of the Football teams sharing Stadiums (Inter-AC etc etc). We could therefore secure both our clubs future in SL and build teams capable of challenging for the top rather than struggling in the lower reaches?
I have been against groundsharing but now has come the time to seriously discuss it for the good of our future, don't you think?
(Sorry if this has been asked, I don't normally keep in touch in the off-season)'"
I'm not sorry to be rude, this is trolling pure and simple - bore off.
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| Quote: TheRevolution "OK, I'm far from Wakefield's biggest fans although having the best interest of the club at heart wouldn't it just be easy to both get together and sort the Stadium situation out? For example, what is wrong with finding a half-way point between Castleford and Wakefield and build a stadium there and share it? With both our recources we could easily do this and I really don't see the problem when you look at some of the Football teams sharing Stadiums (Inter-AC etc etc). We could therefore secure both our clubs future in SL and build teams capable of challenging for the top rather than struggling in the lower reaches?
I have been against groundsharing but now has come the time to seriously discuss it for the good of our future, don't you think?
(Sorry if this has been asked, I don't normally keep in touch in the off-season)'"
You want a stadium half way between Cas and Wakefield? Take a look where Newmarket is, and that is open to share should it happen.
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| Quote: TheRevolution "OK, I'm far from Wakefield's biggest fans although having the best interest of the club at heart wouldn't it just be easy to both get together and sort the Stadium situation out? For example, what is wrong with finding a half-way point between Castleford and Wakefield and build a stadium there and share it? With both our recources we could easily do this and I really don't see the problem when you look at some of the Football teams sharing Stadiums (Inter-AC etc etc). We could therefore secure both our clubs future in SL and build teams capable of challenging for the top rather than struggling in the lower reaches?
I have been against groundsharing but now has come the time to seriously discuss it for the good of our future, don't you think?
(Sorry if this has been asked, I don't normally keep in touch in the off-season)'"
You are Richard Wright and I claim my £5.
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| a) Newmarket is equidistant between Wakefield and Castelford.
b) Newmarket will be a community stadium and as such, Castleford will be able to apply for a tenancy.
c) What 'recources' do we both have? Neither club has a bean, hence why we are both in hock to developers and slaves to the vaguaries of the planning system.
Next!
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| There are 2 reasons:
1) No one on either side really wants to
2) It is too late to go down that line, apart from Newmarket. "finding a site" the way you say it sounds easy. It has taken years for both sides to even get to this point. What makes you think we could just magic some land and then the money to build on it?
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| Quote: TheRevolution "OK, I'm far from Wakefield's biggest fans although having the best interest of the club at heart wouldn't it just be easy to both get together and sort the Stadium situation out? For example, what is wrong with finding a half-way point between Castleford and Wakefield and build a stadium there and share it? With both our recources we could easily do this and I really don't see the problem when you look at some of the Football teams sharing Stadiums (Inter-AC etc etc). We could therefore secure both our clubs future in SL and build teams capable of challenging for the top rather than struggling in the lower reaches?
I have been against groundsharing but now has come the time to seriously discuss it for the good of our future, don't you think?
(Sorry if this has been asked, I don't normally keep in touch in the off-season)'"
From a Castleford perspective what RW should have done when he realised the problems faced with GH, was to get behind NM as joint tenants on a short term basis (1-5 years), whilst also persisting with selling WR and moving to GH. I'd have thought, that would have guarenteed both clubs SL spot whilst allowing him time to find a buyer.
Although it's easy for me to suggest that as a Wakefield fan
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| Quote: Trinity Till Death "From a Castleford perspective what RW should have done when he realised the problems faced with GH, was to get behind NM as joint tenants on a short term basis (1-5 years), whilst also persisting with selling WR and moving to GH. I'd have thought, that would have guarenteed both clubs SL spot whilst allowing him time to find a buyer.
Although it's easy for me to suggest that as a Wakefield fan'"
The problem with that approach, from a Cas perspective, is that he'd be perceived as having taken the first step towards merging with us; once we were in the same stadium, there would be massive pressure to do so from just about every quarter other than fans of the two clubs. That, coupled with the loss of revenue they'd suffer due to a) not owning their own ground and b) fans staying away in protest, would cripple them financially and add weight to the merger argument.
To the casual observer, a merger of WTW, CT and FR at NM Stadium makes perfect sense - to the thousands of people the success of that merger would depend on, it's unconscionable.
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| Quote: bren2k "The problem with that approach, from a Cas perspective, is that he'd be perceived as having taken the first step towards merging with us; once we were in the same stadium, there would be massive pressure to do so from just about every quarter other than fans of the two clubs. That, coupled with the loss of revenue they'd suffer due to a) not owning their own ground and b) fans staying away in protest, would cripple them financially and add weight to the merger argument.
To the casual observer, a merger of WTW, CT and FR at NM Stadium makes perfect sense - to the thousands of people the success of that merger would depend on, it's unconscionable.'"
I guess that approach depends entirely upon how confident RW is in delivering GH in the near future. And i do agree, i can see why they wouldn't want to share at all, if the shoe was on the other foot i wouldn't want to share unless it was guarenteed to be a short term move
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| Quote: Trinity Till Death "I guess that approach depends entirely upon how confident RW is in delivering GH in the near future.'"
I don't think he's in any way confident about anything right now, including his own job; I know that some Cas fans will defend him (the 'he may be an idiot, but he's our idiot' approach) but he has all the hallmarks of a desperate man, clinging on for grim death whilst the house of cards he's created falls down around him.
I have some sympathy - what's happening over there is almost a mirror image of the death throes of Ted's reign at WTW; on balance, they deserve better and I hope they get it before it's too late.
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| The problem with a ground share (and before I'm shot down I know that the 2 Milan football clubs manage quite well), is that for many, it would be seen as a first step to a merger.
If there was an undertaking from the RFL that the "m" word was removed from their own agenda, then maybe this could be a possibility.
As long as the ground was in Wakefield
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| Quote: wrencat1873 "The problem with a ground share (and before I'm shot down I know that the 2 Milan football clubs manage quite well), is that for many, it would be seen as a first step to a merger.
If there was an undertaking from the RFL that the "m" word was removed from their own agenda, then maybe this could be a possibility.
As long as the ground was in Wakefield
The reason the Milan ground share is successful is that they are both successful clubs in their own right and part of the institution of Italian football.
Neither us nor Cas can boast any such kind of standing in SL, both clubs could be viewed as only achieving 50% or thereabouts of what they are potentially capable of, so why not merge us??
With that thought and the RFLs recent history of shoehorning clubs into SL for expansion purposes, a ground share would mean the end for Cas IMO, as the name of Wakefield would (again IMO!!) if any common sense were to be applied, have to remain the focus of SL RL in the city of Wakefield.
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| The Milan analogy annoys me. That is one example, there are hundreds more to counter it. Why don't Liverpool & Everton share? Man Utd & Man City, Arsenal & Tottenham? Villa & Birmingham? Real & Athletico Madrid? And many, many more. Mainly because they hate each other and want a seperate indentity. Forget sharing it will not work for either side.
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