Mopsey has made two good points within a week which beggars belief but there you go.

He noted on another thread that many of our young players have failed to develop physically in a way they seem to at other clubs. They remain either painfully under developed like Davey or carry to much puppy fat. I pick on Davey in particular because he IMO is mentally ready for SL but is still a million miles away physically. Yet it's three years since he made his debut in a pre season and made his first team debut last year. I know some player remain relatively slight like Roby and that's not a bad thing but he still looks like a man all be it a business man. I also know there is a limit to what muscular developments some people bodies can manage but looking at Davey I cannot believe that is anywhere near his peak.

So the question is what exactly to we do or more to the point not do with these young players. I think a new conditioning regime is very much in order.

Just thinking outside the box, I'm told that some of the best and most radical up and coming conditioners/trainers are currently being produced by American College Football. Currently there are nowhere near enough places for them in the states. Might be worth a look, with minor modification both sports require very similar athletes. Also the American can do mentality would not go a miss at BV either.

in fairness to john kear, how was he supposed to know which conditioner to choose. it can hardly be his area of expertise.

Never said it was though surely he has some responsibility to question the end results. I'm not interested in vilifying Kear or Sanctuary they are both off at a guess. But as it seems to be everyones wish that we get rid of them we may as well discuss their perceived or actual failures so as to attempt to rectify them, no?

You could do with someone who is head and shoulders above the rest.

well at least you managed to understand even if others didn't.

Lateral thinking mate,you have either got it,or you havn`t.

Read it again mate,(look deeper.)

Whoosh.

He got you that time Vasty. In fairness it took me a few reads to get it!

I like the idea of the American Football guys but I would like someone with specific experience in Rugby League players development.....and someone who can leave a process behind rather than just letting it slip away after they have gone.

The Aussies learn a lot from American Football and so the original idea proves to be a good one but I can't imagine we can even compete with the College level money.....but picking up someone from down under who has a history would be worth while.

I'd go as far as to say I would use money that should be allocated to players to get the best in this area. It will be a long term benefit rather than short term on pitch results.

More a Pledge and yellow duster man.

Understand that the RL are very impressed with Colin Santuary and want him for the England job. Not sure if the England job is a full time position or part time.

We all know the RFL can't see past end of their noses though don't we.

Yep this is what confuses me, I hear he is very good yet you can't deny our players do appear a little under developed and I don't know why. Then again when you're the special/only club that ever gets drug tested on masse then that might explain it.

Funny you should mention this as I've just written a hugely comprehensive thesis on athlete conditioning with Rugby League players as the subject athletes in question. Nothing to do with University, just my own thoughts, beliefs, experience and scientific knowledge of elite athlete preparation.

The document breaks down everything that goes into making a team, and each individual within it, into a skillfull, tactically aware and physically prepared Rugby League Player(s).
The conditioning section alone is broken down into specific headings:
* Strength
* Agility
* Speed
* Endurance
* Aerobic (Vo2 Max)
* Flexibility
* Periodization and other methods
* Nutrition
* Fatigue
* Hypertrophy
* Pre/Post Analysis
* Progression
* Miscellaneous

Each heading is then broken down into micro parts with explanations of why there is a need to develop this element, how to develop and progress it from novice through to Elite Athlete, it's relevancy to a specific individual, it's relevancy to each specific position on the team, the information is then backed up with examples, experiences and academic journals which support each programme.

I've done this to expand my own understanding but it's also a blueprint for a coach/conditioner, at any level of the game, who needs a significant understanding of what constitutes a rugby league player, it's not designed to blind you with science but is a practical guide. It will never be finished and isn't designed to be, it is meant to be constantly updated with new ideas born out out of scientific breakthrough and personal experience.

I'm pretty proud of it and I think it'll be useful to me for the rest of my career.