This phrase is mentioned all the time in criticism of JK's tactics, so, as someone who's never coached a rugby league team in his life before, I thought I'd ask a few questions and open this one for discussion.

Why is this such a bad tactic? If you have the players who can break the gain line and set up second phase, it brings the backs into play. At worst, it gains you a few yards, or puts you back where you started. (I've seen plenty of Trinity teams in my regular time of watching chuck the ball along the line and end up a lot further behind the gain line than they started out with.)

To be watchable, it needs good halves, players with quick hands who can set up others to exploit a gap. Players with a good rugby brain, who can break down well-organised defences. We can play it, when the opposition allows it. In my last visits to Wakey, I've seen us play it (under Kear as coach). When the opposition has a well-organised defence, then we see our limits.

We have what we have at the moment. We have some good centres, and some good wingers. we have some good halves who try their best, but are probably not quite experienced enough, or maybe creative enough, to make the difference. We have some good forwards, who do what they can do, but are perhaps not quite creative enough (when King joins the pack again, we may see a difference).

We have limitations. We know that. When we play to our limitations, we can, in favourable circumstances, win against good teams.

Did we play any differently under Toppo, or McNally? I mean, from basic principles? The McNally "golden year" was based on grinding down the opposition until the last 20 minutes, and then letting loose. We were much fitter than most other teams then, and it showed.

All I'm asking is - has Kear got the wrong tactics (and if so, what should he do better), or is he bob on, and a few tweaks short of what we'd all like to see?

I dont see much wrong with Kear's approach...

but he has been here a long time now... and familiarity breeds conempt...

I think he could freshen up the support staff a bit...

Tactic only works if you have more than 1 big forward hitting the line at pace. Huddersfield showed that against Cas in the away kit debacle game, soon as Cas got the ball back they were clearly blowing. Shudds hit the ball hard time and time again with all manner of angles. They deployed dummy runners to get defenders out of position in a bid to make defending even more tiresome.

2004 we used it to an art. Korki and Griffin smashed teams for 60 minutes then our play-makers tore sides to shreds. At the moment we lack a bit of size, direction and impetus in the forwards and tbf Hendo and co might make quick field position but our attack is struggling against a still fresh and preemptive defence.

i think it is fine up to a point but we really struggle to score when we have possession in the latter quarter of the pitch and something a little different is required.

don't want to harp on about Jeffries but one thing he did well above all else was play the game at pace on the fringes once we had some go forward. Not sure who can do that now, apart from someon bringing Mariano onto the ball.

Surely "five drives and a kick" is about how you get possession deep in the oppositions half. The failure to capitalise on that field position is a completely different issue but the fact that you have got to that position generally shows that your tactics up to that point are working.

I think one problem is when we get around 10 or 20m from the oppositions line we don't seem to have many ideas on what to do. In the last few years we scored quite a lot of our tries from kicks, not really bombs to the corner but little grubbers through instead on coming up with a 'killer' play to break through the opposition. At one time we seemed to have Brough, Rooney and Drew who had a very good short kicking game but I think losing these three has had a big effect on the threat we pose when close to the line.

What's Moore's kicking game like? Have we seen any of the same from him recently? I'll be honest, I've not seen a match in the last couple of months.

OK. So what do you do if you don't have more than 1 big forward hitting the line at pace? What's the next best tactic?

It looks promising - he's a cocky little beggar and isn't shy about having a go; doesn't always come off though, which I guess is ok for now.

His biggest problem, in my view, is that he's used to having a bit longer to shape the kick, so gets caught out by the onrushing defenders quite often - I'm sure that experience will sort that out.

Good stuff. Yeah I guess he will learn to maybe hang deeper on the 5th or quicken up his action. It's good to see we're giving an English half back a bash.

My take on the problem with 5 drives and a kick are as follows :

1. As it is literally one person taking the ball in most of the time and never looking to commit defenders or pass the ball just before or in contact (and no dummy runners to confuse the opposition), it is easy to defend against.

2. If we manage to complete our set of six the opposition have probabaly done 5 tackles in the set. However, when the opposition have the ball and do have dummy runners and people taking the ball to the line and committing players before passing to a team mate, we are probably doing at least 3 or 4 more tackles a set than the opposition - this is ultimately going to take its toll at some stage in the game.

3. It is only effective if you put a good kick in. Its early days for Moore yet, but prior to him playing, the kicking game has been average to say the least.

4. We are wasting the bags of pace that we have got in the centres and wings because they never receive the ball in broken play.

5. It is boring to watch and therefore is unlikely to attract and retain new fans.

6. It doesn't work too well if the coach selects a full back on the bench or decides he aint' going to play two of his subs until an hour into the game, just after the opposition have put a couple of scores on us to see them in a winning position.