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Not the ref who wasn't the best but our display tonight. Very flat with ball in hand mainly 5 drives and a kick. Once again gleeson has shown he is the worst defensive centre in the league and blanch on the wing wasn't much better. We've got a natural centre playing out on the wing surely noes the time to drop gleeson give murphy his chance in his favourite position and bring back moreton or George. JD is looking very tired this season and I hate saying it but I'm not sure he's up to the task against the top teams in the league. Hopefully tonight is a blip but it's no coincidence that the two tes we've played with a bit of form behind them have beaten us convincingly. The score flattered us tonight and we need to improve ten fold for the derby game on good Friday

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Quote: Uptoncat "Not the ref who wasn't the best but our display tonight. Very flat with ball in hand mainly 5 drives and a kick. Once again gleeson has shown he is the worst defensive centre in the league and blanch on the wing wasn't much better. We've got a natural centre playing out on the wing surely noes the time to drop gleeson give murphy his chance in his favourite position and bring back moreton or George. JD is looking very tired this season and I hate saying it but I'm not sure he's up to the task against the top teams in the league. Hopefully tonight is a blip but it's no coincidence that the two tes we've played with a bit of form behind them have beaten us convincingly. The score flattered us tonight and we need to improve ten fold for the derby game on good Friday'"


who says smurphs favourite position is centre? george has had a hamstring injury and morton (spelt correctly this time ) will be one for the future..unfortunately i couldn't go tonight..but will wait for comments from people who know the game..ov et al!

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I went and yes murphys natural position is centre. Unfortunatly for us we only moved him there with ten mins to go. The kid can tackle and he can read the game alot better than gleeson can at the moment albeit both are still young. As to slagging peoples spelling off? Come on is that the best argument people can do?

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You think I don't know the game? I've played the game for twenty odd years and watched it for just as long. We were poor mate very poor no direction at all, gleeson is not a super league centre and it's a good job he was replaced after twenty to twenty five minutes otherwise it would have been a real land slide. I'm a realist and tonight was a poor showing, ok we dug in a bit in the second half but wire took their foot off the gas. Sol was a class above when on the pitch and admittedly he can do it against any team it's no coincidence they scores their two second half tries whilst he was on the pitch

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We were never really in it tonight, and they were too quick for us from the first minute to the last minute. Looking at the season as a whole, if we can beat cas next week, we will have good return from the first third of the season and overall quite happy.

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smurph was a centre as a kid but also played stand off and wing. personally i think he will be a very good full back. how was blaymire tonight?

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Agree entirely with the opening post.

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Quote: Uptoncat "You think I don't know the game? I've played the game for twenty odd years and watched it for just as long. We were poor mate very poor no direction at all, gleeson is not a super league centre and it's a good job he was replaced after twenty to twenty five minutes otherwise it would have been a real land slide. I'm a realist and tonight was a poor showing, ok we dug in a bit in the second half but wire took their foot off the gas. Sol was a class above when on the pitch and admittedly he can do it against any team it's no coincidence they scores their two second half tries whilst he was on the pitch'"


I was at the game and you are spot on.

Gleeson is going backwards and is not a SL Centre. When Johnson is fit I'd play him in the centre. JD gives his all but I'm afraid it looks like age has caught up with him.

Poor performance, need a big improvement or Cas will turn us over.

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Quote: Sandal Cat "I was at the game and you are spot on.

Gleeson is going backwards and is not a SL Centre. When Johnson is fit I'd play him in the centre. JD gives his all but I'm afraid it looks like age has caught up with him.

Poor performance, need a big improvement or Cas will turn us over.'"


Absolutely - they will run riot through our pathetic attempt to play the sliding defence.

[sizeSTOP THE SLIDING DEFENCE - NOW - IT DOESN'T WORK![/size

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Quote: TRB "Absolutely - they will run riot through our pathetic attempt to play the sliding defence.

[sizeSTOP THE SLIDING DEFENCE - NOW - IT DOESN'T WORK![/size'"


We could all see that the sliding defence was not working, that is of course those on the field and those who decide waht system we are playing to.

We have been caught out by it against Huddersfield and Hull KR were wooping us untill we went back to man for man marking.

Stick with man for man marking we cannot do sliding defence.

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Agree with what people are saying. I have been tonight and am so frustrated at how easy teams cut us to shreds down our right hand side. Sean Gleeson needs a rest, he just doesnt seem to know where he should be in the defensive line and was leaving Blanch 2 on 1 on every single attack down their side. Blanchy didnt have his best game in the world but its not easy doing 2 players work. This isn't the first time Gleeson has been left wanting and unfortunately for young Morton, he took the wrath from certain pundits and the media when in reality he was suffering the same 2 on 1 scenario himself in weeks gone by ! All coaches will look at the VT in the run upto our game when we play them and it was obvious from the 1st minute tonight Warrington were targetting out right channel. I have confidence in the King that this will be rectified for Friday.

We didnt play well tonight but if we take some positives away with us -

1. Matty is getting back to best. Fitness returning week after week and solid at the back again.
2. Sammy is just non-stop and never gives up. Rewarded with another superb solo try.
3. Cooke more influential tonight and will only get better.
4. Gledhill had another solid performance up front.
5. Kirmond played well when introduced and will no doubt improve our squad.
6. Hendo fantastic again. Tackles anything that moves and made 2 clean breaks.

We can play a hell of a lot better than that tonight and with a little bit of luck we could have gone in at 16-10 ( would like to see their try on the hooter ). We had them pinned on their own line from the kick off in the second half and who knows what might have happened if we had managed to get level. Like I said to my mate who was with me at the game tonight, not many teams will goto the HJ Stadium and come away with anything so all in all its not the end of the world.

BRING ON CAS !

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Quote: The Clan "Its a big week for the teams in the top 8!

We need to counter the Wires left side attack with some strong defence and a good kick chase on our right side to limit Atkins & Kings ability to make good yardage.

With that in mind I'd play Aaron Murphy in our right centre with Blanch outside him bolstering the defence.

IIRC, Cooke prefers to defend on the right as well so we could look pretty solid out there if we choose.'"


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uptoncat your a very naughty boy. il bring you a spelling test up normy and then we can improve your english, ffs

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Quote: Uptoncat "Not the ref who wasn't the best but our display tonight. Very flat with ball in hand mainly 5 drives and a kick. Once again gleeson has shown he is the worst defensive centre in the league and blanch on the wing wasn't much better. We've got a natural centre playing out on the wing surely noes the time to drop gleeson give murphy his chance in his favourite position and bring back moreton or George. JD is looking very tired this season and I hate saying it but I'm not sure he's up to the task against the top teams in the league. Hopefully tonight is a blip but it's no coincidence that the two tes we've played with a bit of form behind them have beaten us convincingly. The score flattered us tonight and we need to improve ten fold for the derby game on good Friday'"


This is pretty much how I saw it, and we weren't helped by the ref. Having said that the scoreline did flatter us I'm afraid to say and I never felt we were in this one.

JK needs to drop Gleeson as teams are now, opposition teams are now targeting us down that side with considerable success. JD looks like a shadow of his former self and although I can't knock Obst's effort he lacks the kicking game to unlock defences.

On the positive side after losing Brough it will take time to adapt, Cookie is starting to show glimpses of what he can do and Gledhill was once again solid. Kirmond looked useful when he came on in second half.

I think switching Murphy to centre is a sound idea as his defensive game is top notch and am inclined to agree re: george/morton for blanch. I would start with Kirmond and have JD on the bench.

I doubt JK will make many changes as he likes to let players redeem themselves, but surely he needs to address Gleeson's defensive frailties.

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