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I have been contacted by someone who is writing a book on Wakefield in the 1950's, and he wants to get the history of Belle Vue correct, but there appear to be conflicting accounts of the early days.

In "A History of Wakefield Trinity Football Club, 1873 - 1960", written and compiled by D W Armitage & J CLindley, it states that "Trinity moved to the present field in 1878-9............"

The club website statesBut their move to the current arena which still forms their home did not come until late in 1892. In December of that year the club agreed to lease a field adjacent to the St Catherine's School and there they made their headquarters which have remained so throughout the rest of their history."

So there appear to be two different versions. Which is the correct one?

Can anyone help, and where exactly were the Alexandra Hotel and the fields behind it?

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the only book I have is the "A History of Wakefield Trinity Football Club, 1873 - 1960", written and compiled by D W Armitage & J CLindley, so I'm not sure how you can solve this problem if you have conflicting evidence, surly the club must know which is right

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Quote: snowie "if you have conflicting evidence, surly the club must know which is right'"


Called blind faith that, snowie. icon_biggrin.gif

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I have '100 years of rugby'Trinity's earliest matches were played on Heath Common, then two fields were rented near the Alexandra Hotel at Belle Vue where Trinity remianed for several years. In the early 1880's Trinity left the Parochial Rooms and Holly Lodge became their headquarters and remained so until the turn of the century.'[/i

later in the book it states'At the annual meeting of the club in May 1884 news was given to members that six months notice had been served on Trinity to quit from the Parochial Rooms (a place built specially, incidentally for the Trinity Young Men's Society) and that the club had taken Holly Lodge, Lord Rodney Yard on a lease.
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Obviously that last bit is more about the headquarters rather than playing field.

I'll have a look further for anything more when I get some time. One of the books by Tony Collins (Rugby's great split I think) mentions early Trinity quite a lot, I'll try there as well.

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Quote: Slugger McBatt "rl]"Slugger McBatt"]I have been contacted by someone who is writing a book on Wakefield in the 1950's, and he wants to get the history of Belle Vue correct, but there appear to be conflicting accounts of the early days.

In "A History of Wakefield Trinity Football Club, 1873 - 1960", written and compiled by D W Armitage & J CLindley, it states that "Trinity moved to the present field in 1878-9............"

The club website statesBut their move to the current arena which still forms their home did not come until late in 1892. In December of that year the club agreed to lease a field adjacent to the St Catherine's School and there they made their headquarters which have remained so throughout the rest of their history."

So there appear to be two different versions. Which is the correct one?

Can anyone help, and where exactly were the Alexandra Hotel and the fields behind it?'"
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Quote: Slugger McBatt "]'"
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Try contacting John Goodchild,he is a very efficient local historian.

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Contact John Goodchild,he is a respected Wakefield Historian.

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Quote: Slugger McBatt "Can anyone help, and where exactly were the Alexandra Hotel and the fields behind it?'"


As you come along Donny Rd towards BV from the town you pass Howarth timber and the BP garage on the left thats where the buildings start, after a gap halfway along they start again and the Alex was the last building on the corner nearly opposite the Con club.

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Quote: chissitt "As you come along Donny Rd towards BV from the town you pass Howarth timber and the BP garage on the left thats where the buildings start, after a gap halfway along they start again and the Alex was the last building on the corner nearly opposite the Con club.'"


So that would make the first ground on the opposite side of Donny Road?

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The Grounds of Rugby League - Trevor Delany 1991

Founded in 1873 as part of the Holy Trinity Church Young Mens' Society in George Street, Trinity first played on Heath Common, open land not far from Belle Vue. In 1875/6 they moved to Manor Field which was near the present (in 1991) Vicarage Street gasworks, a few hundred yards from the Cathedral. From there Trinity moved to Elm Tree Street, across Doncaster Road from their present ground, near the Alexandra Hotel, where on the 8th December, 1877 they played Leeds St. John's in their first ever Yorkshire Cup-tie. This ground also incorporated a cycling and athletics track. Yorkshire played Middlesex there on 29th March, 1879, and Halifax were the visitors on 5th April, in the Yorkshire Cup, a trophy which Trinity won for the first time the following Saturday.
The present Belle Vue ground was opened two day later, on Easter Monday, 14th April, 1879, when Trinity played their annual charity match against the Manchester club, Birch. Trinity, who had previously played in black and blue horizontal stripes, used the opening of the new ground as an opertunity to introduce their present club colours. These facts were confirmed by Mr Ernest Parker, Trinity's treasurer from 1905 to 1919, who had been present at the opening game.

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Quote: Overground "These facts were confirmed by chissitt, who had been present at the opening game.'"


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Quote: Overground "The Grounds of Rugby League - Trevor Delany 1991

Founded in 1873 as part of the Holy Trinity Church Young Mens' Society in George Street, Trinity first played on Heath Common, open land not far from Belle Vue. In 1875/6 they moved to Manor Field which was near the present (in 1991) Vicarage Street gasworks, a few hundred yards from the Cathedral. From there Trinity moved to Elm Tree Street, across Doncaster Road from their present ground, near the Alexandra Hotel, where on the 8th December, 1877 they played Leeds St. John's in their first ever Yorkshire Cup-tie. This ground also incorporated a cycling and athletics track. Yorkshire played Middlesex there on 29th March, 1879, and Halifax were the visitors on 5th April, in the Yorkshire Cup, a trophy which Trinity won for the first time the following Saturday.
The present Belle Vue ground was opened two day later, on Easter Monday, 14th April, 1879, when Trinity played their annual charity match against the Manchester club, Birch. Trinity, who had previously played in black and blue horizontal stripes, used the opening of the new ground as an opertunity to introduce their present club colours. These facts were confirmed by Mr Ernest Parker, Trinity's treasurer from 1905 to 1919, who had been present at the opening game.'"


Thanks for that. I'll pass it on. 9.57080078125:10
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