No one knows whether those protections would be in place or not, the U.K. May well have introduced them anyway and we might have gone even further, giving workers and consumers even more tights.

This.

The main voices in favour of Brexit are the extreme right wing of the Conservative party. Does anyone seriously think they give a monkeys about working people? Everything they’ve said and done in politics over the past 30 years states the opposite. In the past they were all against the adoption of things like minimum wage and the 40hour week so you can expect these things to be quietly relaxed or dropped if we vote to leave. The Tories would turn further right wing if there was a Brexit. The right wing press go on about “red tape” but they’re all run by tax avoiding right wingers so don’t fall for the hype.

The political records of the likes of Boris Johnson, Jacob Rees-Mogg, John Redwood, Zac Goldsmith, Michael Gove, Ian Duncan Smith, Chris Grayling, Peter Lilley, Nigel Lawson, Norman Lamont speak for themselves.

While we stay in we all retain some limited protection in the workplace and as part of the EU we have more clout internationally. It’s far from ideal. It wastes a tremendous amount of money. However we’re better off in it where we can influence it rather than taking our bat and ball home.

And we all like tights

Too right.

Oh yeah, I'm sure the conservatives who have set about dismantling the welfare state, privatising the NHS and giving tax breaks to big business are really keen to annoy them by giving the pesky workers more rights.

Nigel Farage, Boris Johnson, Michael Gove & Katie Hopkins are all in favour Brexit. If that doesn't convince you to vote to "Remain", I'm not sure what will!!!

I just look at my kids and grandkids and wonder what a crap hole the UK will become for them if we don't get out now. Vote exit for short term pain but long term gain.

Yes nearly as bad as Peter mandelson Tony Blair Ken Clarke Michael heseltine and Peter box for remain

Mandelson and Blair were the in the Government that in 1997 brought in improved rights for workers, and increased protection in relation to housing, health, education, social protection and welfare. We all benefit from that.

They may have cosied up to big business and Blair might have got us into a disastrous war but domestically at least they did more for working people than the likes of the current lot.

Clarke and Heseltine represent the moderate part of what is a very right wing Tory party. That they’re voices of moderation shows how extreme the others are. I’ve no idea who Peter Box is.

Unless you’re very wealthy indeed you’ve nothing to gain by voting Leave.

That's rather the point though isn't it - the subject is very definitely not just immigration; but the negative, dog-whistle campaigning of idiots like Farage have made it so; the debate should without question be about the wider issues of EU membership, which includes the rules, laws and regulations that you don't want to be dragged into the discussion - they're relevant, pertinent and particularly for working class people, almost always in favour of Remain.

If you read the thread properly the context of my comments and the responses to my comments were based around migration and immigration. No one was suggesting that the whole in/out EU topic was solely about immigration.

That's the problem with the 'in' campaigners, they want to paint those seeking to leave as simple minded and somehow ignorant of the wider issues. As I said at the end of my first post, because I dared to mention immigration you can conveniently dismiss me as a racist Farage following idiot. If it helps you win you're argument then carry on but more fool you!

The ' in' voters seem to think they have the mortgage on intelligence and freedom of thought while those wanting out are being brainwashed by Boris Johnson.

We all have a view and it's as valid and informed as anyone else's despite the condescending attempts to belittle anyone who wants out.

To be clear - I wasn't labelling people who support Brexit as idiots; I was referring specifically to Farage and his ilk, who have deliberately made the debate about migration, when they know it's about much more than that.

My issue is with the whole process - I think both campaigns have been run in a very negative way, based on fear of what might happen, rather than facts about what will; it muddies the whole thing in my view.

Avenger - I come in peace but both sides are guilty.

"That's the problem with the 'in' campaigners, they want to paint those seeking to leave as simple minded and somehow ignorant of the wider issues."

This just isn't true any more than the assertion that all "Leavers" are racists. My gripe isn't with ordinary folk whose views differ to mine but with the politicians who, quite simply, lie. Both camps lie about the impact on the economy, on jobs, on the cost of living, house prices etc. But what infuriates and saddens me about the Brexit politicians is that they lie about immigration and in doing so they make intolerance and xenophobia acceptable. An example today. The net migration figure has gone up. Farage and company claim this is further evidence that we've lost control of our borders and should vote to leave. What they don't say is that immigration has actually gone down and the net figure is up because emigration has also gone down but by a bit more. They also don't mention that the two biggest contributors to inwards migration are India and China - nothing to do with EU. It's this kind of lying / economy with the truth that Dismays and worries me. It is creating an intolerant, fearful, suspicious country where morons from the EDL, Britain First, BNP etc feel free to spout their hate filled bile. I don't think the EU is perfect - far from it. But I do think that, by being in it, we can help to change it to make it a better place for all its citizens. Leave and we're at the mercy of the people who want our country to be insular, inward looking and narrow minded.

Understood, but doesn't David Cameron saying that the UK leaving the EU could destabilise Europe and increase the risk of a 3rd World War bother you?

The reason both sides are using negative campaigning is that neither side really know what will happen. It's never been done before.
I'm sure a lot of intelligent people are forecasting what will happen, but the reason it is hard to decide which way to fall is that you really have to decide to believe someone rather than follow a fact, or a party policy.

I'm still not sure which way I'm going to vote.