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| MC should have signed Rocky Hampshire. Not for what he brought on the field, but to give himself an easier time off it.
Poching was poor half way through the season, his reputation rescued by an end of season rally that everyone reported as being not much to do with him.
The fault for our plight is a mix of things. Perhaps MC got too involved in rugby when maybe his strength was finances. I don’t know, I’m not behind the scenes, but we’ve been heading towards this point for years. For me, the root cause of everything is Yorkcourt, because our decline is down to finances, and our finances are down to the ground, which should have been sorted years ago. You track the decline on a graph, and Yorkcourt start it. Whether or not anyone could have done any better, I’ve no idea. We had one good season under MC in the league. We had play-offs under Glover and Ted, so he’s achieved nothing more than the others, except he’s got the ground half-built with the chance for greater financial streams. Just maybe a few years too late.
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| If we come back up due to IMG gradings, because of the off-field work done by JM and MC, what will people say?
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| Quote: Slugger McBatt "MC should have signed Rocky Hampshire. Not for what he brought on the field, but to give himself an easier time off it.
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| Quote: Slugger McBatt "If we come back up due to IMG gradings, because of the off-field work done by JM and MC, what will people say?'"
It’s the only way we can get back
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| Quote: Slugger McBatt "If we come back up due to IMG gradings, because of the off-field work done by JM and MC, what will people say?'"
The exact same as this season, that unless they invest in the squad and bring in a better coach we will be the whipping boys of the league and eventually relegated again. Then what will happen is that the IMG weightings will be adjusted to favour on-field performance as a consistently poor team is a negative draw on the wider game and will impact on the value of future TV deals and central investment into the sport.
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| Quote: Slugger McBatt "If we come back up due to IMG gradings, because of the off-field work done by JM and MC, what will people say?'" I'd say they still had the opportunity to carry on but chose to let go of the club and leave someone new to take the 6 million pound debt they had got the club into. They had the chance and in carter's words. FAILED. Bravo
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| 6 million quid debt? Where has that come from?
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34595_1297504122.jpg [color=#BF0000:1qi6asc8]WAKEFIELD FANS ARE BORN, NOT MANUFACTURED.WE DO NOT CHOOSE, WE ARE CHOSEN. THOSE WHO UNDERSTAND NEED NO EXPLANATION. THOSE WHO DONT, DONT MATTER.[/color:1qi6asc8]
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| Quote: Slugger McBatt "6 million quid debt? Where has that come from?'" no.idea ask.your mates
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| I think we've established that you don't like/blame Carter and Minards.
That's fine.
You can stop now.
We get it.
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| Quote: MOPSEY LIVES ON "no.idea ask.your mates'"
It’s your claim, isn’t it?
If it helps, I’m not a supporter of MC or JM. Don’t know them, never met them. I just think there’s a bigger picture and that they’ve always had to play with a weak hand: lack of money. Eventually, your luck runs out.
Our best period in SL was when Kear was involved, and it can’t be a coincidence that it was the only time Chester had a successful period, when Kear was helping him.
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| Quote: Slugger McBatt "6 million quid debt? Where has that come from?'"
Slugger,I'll step in here with what I know
Land loan £3.1 M
COVID loan £1 M
Cumulative trading debts to date £1 M
Directors loans £1 M
Last two are only approximate figures but quite near and I strongly suspect Ellis will not be taking on the directors loans. The out going board will have to take those.
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| Quote: Prince Buster "Slugger,I'll step in here with what I know
Land loan £3.1 M
COVID loan £1 M
Cumulative trading debts to date £1 M
Directors loans £1 M
Last two are only approximate figures but quite near and I strongly suspect Ellis will not be taking on the directors loans. The out going board will have to take those.'"
How do you know trading debt to date? They haven't done the accounts yet.
And the director loans aren't exactly a debt they've left Ellis with are they. They gave the money to the club and are not asking for it back. How to twist facts.
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34595_1297504122.jpg [color=#BF0000:1qi6asc8]WAKEFIELD FANS ARE BORN, NOT MANUFACTURED.WE DO NOT CHOOSE, WE ARE CHOSEN. THOSE WHO UNDERSTAND NEED NO EXPLANATION. THOSE WHO DONT, DONT MATTER.[/color:1qi6asc8]
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| Quote: PopTart "How do you know trading debt to date? They haven't done the accounts yet.
And the director loans aren't exactly a debt they've left Ellis with are they. They gave the money to the club and are not asking for it back. How to twist facts.'"
They are on there. The balance sheet shows net assets of £754,393. On the face of it it looks good, however it only looks good on paper. There are fixed assets of £6,302,584 which is the value of the land and buildings. Current assets of £482,566. Against this there are over £800,000 of creditors falling in one year and over £5m in creditors falling due after more than one year. So we have net assets but only if you can sell the ground to pay the creditors. The true position is that we have over £6m in creditors and very little if no means to repay the creditors. You can paint whatever picture you want on paper but in truth we need the takeover completed
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| Quote: PopTart "How do you know trading debt to date? They haven't done the accounts yet.
And the director loans aren't exactly a debt they've left Ellis with are they. They gave the money to the club and are not asking for it back. How to twist facts.'"
I did say, Ellis will most likely not take directors loans, at least I thought I did.
The accounts have not been filed at companies House, I agree. But any due diligence will have up to date on going trading figures , I know you will not be party to them but others are
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| Quote: MOPSEY LIVES ON "They are on there. The balance sheet shows net assets of £754,393. On the face of it it looks good, however it only looks good on paper. There are fixed assets of £6,302,584 which is the value of the land and buildings. Current assets of £482,566. Against this there are over £800,000 of creditors falling in one year and over £5m in creditors falling due after more than one year. So we have net assets but only if you can sell the ground to pay the creditors. The true position is that we have over £6m in creditors and very little if no means to repay the creditors. You can paint whatever picture you want on paper but in truth we need the takeover completed'"
Those accounts are a year old.
The director loans are not going to be transferred and the stadium and other income pays the other loans, same as everyone else who has a mortgage.
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