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Quote: supercat "Best thing that London could do is ditch the identity all together play as exiles and try attract some of the Oz/kiwi/South African punters to their games. I know some of the diehards will not want to hear this but most english southerners want Union or Football and not league. They need to be looking at the australasian people live and work in london as these are people they could be attracting to their games. Did anyone notice that the Aussies versus the Kiwi's game got a bigger crowd than the England game.?'"


And how exactly does the quota system play a part in this exiles team?

Free tickets didn't attract many punters last season so why would they pay to see an 'Exile' team?

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Quota won't play a part let them have as many Aussies as possible. What i am saying is there is a massive amount of People from the Southern Hemisphere living in London and maybe giving the team more of a Southern Hemisphere identity will bring these potential fans out of the wood work to get behind a team based in London. It's not worked getting the English born londoners their so time for a change if you ask me.

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Quote: supercat "Quota won't play a part let them have as many Aussies as possible. What i am saying is there is a massive amount of People from the Southern Hemisphere living in London and maybe giving the team more of a Southern Hemisphere identity will bring these potential fans out of the wood work to get behind a team based in London. It's not worked getting the English born londoners their so time for a change if you ask me.'"



A ridiculous idea - allow them to have whatever quota players they want and give them a massive advantage over other clubs to try and attract supporters who are not English.
How does that improve the spread of the game outside of the traditional areas and develop players from elsewhere???
If it's still not working now after 30 years of trying we'd be better off giving up on them totally and try and focus on another area nearer to home. I've always said I'm not against expansion but it needs to push outwards from the roots and not be just dumped somewhere where there is no interest.

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But that will never happen Sky want a London team no matter what. I would rather they looked elsewhere as it's flogging a dead horse if you ask me. My opinion is based on if we can't get rid what's the best option for the club to progress even if it has to be a radicle approach. With regards to letting them sign Aussies they will still be salary capped thus only buying in players that either can't get in an NRL club or are not earning enough abroad.

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Quote: supercat "But that will never happen Sky want a London team no matter what. I would rather they looked elsewhere as it's flogging a dead horse if you ask me. My opinion is based on if we can't get rid what's the best option for the club to progress even if it has to be a radicle approach. With regards to letting them sign Aussies they will still be salary capped thus only buying in players that either can't get in an NRL club or are not earning enough abroad.'"

TBH i think its the RFL that want a London club rather than SKY.
I have never read or heard anything accredited to SKY stating that London is particularly important, however the RFL every franchise round so far have protected London in one way or another.

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Quote: supercat "Quota won't play a part let them have as many Aussies as possible. What i am saying is there is a massive amount of People from the Southern Hemisphere living in London and maybe giving the team more of a Southern Hemisphere identity will bring these potential fans out of the wood work to get behind a team based in London. It's not worked getting the English born londoners their so time for a change if you ask me.'"



What a complete crock. How do you then encourage growth in the amateur and school game in London? Great way to sell the sport to the youth, "Come play Rugby League with no chance of ever playing professionally in London"

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The very notion of a single club covering 'London' is potty - it's a massive area and has no single identity, hence the fact that it supports god knows how many wendyball teams who get massive crowds on a weekly basis.

What they really need is all the money that is currently slashed up against the wall on the SL club, to be redirected to the grassroots game - i.e junior teams, schools development and community work, with 2 or 3 lower league teams, covering more of the conurbations, for those people and their families to support.

A SL club may emerge naturally from that in a number of years, but it's become clear that a SL team can't be hot-housed; it hasn't worked in London and it didn't work in Wales.

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no need for professional sport for growth to take place in schools, take basket ball for example - one of biggest sports in schools but no realistic prospect of playing it pro.

Pro RL in London is like the kings invisible clothes - no one in the RL media cabal feels brave enough to state what is blindingly obvious to us peasants on the terraces. No one cares about pro RL in London save a few hundred die hards (for whom I have considerable respect by the way). RL in the UK as a professional sport is an M62 corridore sport. No shame in that - done fine for over 100 years. 30 years of trying in London and the club have failed to develop a sustainable spectator base despite positive measure after positive measure to help them on and off the field.

The RFL higher ups rhetoric of 'we need a club in the capital' is short hand for 'we want to be governing body for a national sport and a club in London tickles that part of our ego.'

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Quote: bren2k "The very notion of a single club covering 'London' is potty - it's a massive area and has no single identity, hence the fact that it supports god knows how many wendyball teams who get massive crowds on a weekly basis.

What they really need is all the money that is currently slashed up against the wall on the SL club, to be redirected to the grassroots game - i.e junior teams, schools development and community work, with 2 or 3 lower league teams, covering more of the conurbations, for those people and their families to support.

A SL club may emerge naturally from that in a number of years, but it's become clear that a SL team can't be hot-housed; it hasn't worked in London and it didn't work in Wales.'"


Kind of agree, I'd have hoped the long term view (yes i know 30 years has passed) would be that we would have a Norths, Souths, Easts and Wests in London all doing their part for junior development and having genuine derby games.

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Quote: Mable_Syrup "Kind of agree, I'd have hoped the long term view (yes i know 30 years has passed) would be that we would have a Norths, Souths, Easts and Wests in London all doing their part for junior development and having genuine derby games.'"

And this could be done from outside of SL, utilising the identity of each area and utilising a strong community focus.
Who knows what could be achieved?

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bit of a pointless debate, london along with every other sl club who does not either have a backer or a ground sharing deal with a soccer club is screwed financially, or competitavely, and before someone crows oooh leeds dont bother, because i cant be bothered explaining why you are wrong.

oh ok image rights and a kick and clap club help too


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Quote: chapster "bit of a pointless debate, london along with every other sl club who does not either have a backer or a ground sharing deal with a soccer club is screwed financially, or competitavely, and before someone crows oooh leeds dont bother, because i cant be bothered explaining why you are wrong.

oh ok image rights and a kick and clap club help too



But London have the added burden of being slap bang in the middle of millions of utterly disinterested punters, and the reason they're disinterested is that they have no tradition of RL, they didn't play it at school and it isn't part of their communities; one SL club in one Borough will never correct that deficit - they need 2 or 3 lower league clubs, covering a greater area and with more chance of connecting with the communities they operate in.

It's a back to the drawing board, ten years hence kind of plan, but it could work if they drew back from the collective obsession with a SL club and concentrated on growing a proper RL tradition.

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Local rivalary, derby games, bragging rights etc at whatever level will bring more development of players and supporters than one floundering SL club that nobody cares about, ever will.

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Quote: kinleycat "And this could be done from outside of SL, utilising the identity of each area and utilising a strong community focus.
Who knows what could be achieved?'"


Exactly. A strong London with home gown players would indicate a strong SL

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Quote: Mable_Syrup "Exactly. A strong London with home gown players would indicate a strong SL'"

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