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| Quote: Sacred Cow "No you appear to have already decided where it is going, based on the sum total of sod all facts!'"
You've clearly decided how marvelous the EU is based on politicians lies & media bias all who have a vested interest in this unaccountable gravy train.
Roverman is living in the real world and wants a better future for our country, it's such a shame that some don't have the faith that we can have a brighter future without the shackles of Brussels. Listening to Cameron & Osbourne in that B&Q press conference the other day was an all time low in propaganda and for the staff to be then banned from speaking to the media, where do we live North Korea? Shocking scare mongering on a whole new level, just makes you wonder what package Cameron has been offered in the EU when he steps down.
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| Yes I bet he believes the BBC is impartial and that wally Lewis is still coming.
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| Don't think anyone is saying the EU is perfect, or even anywhere near close. The fact remains though that by being inside the EU, we have the opportunity to Veto or lobby for things that are for/against our interests.
Otherwise, we are just a small nation, producing nothing sat on the peripheries, while the major trade blocs conduct world affairs taking no notice of our opinion.
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| Quote: TrinityIHC "Don't think anyone is saying the EU is perfect, or even anywhere near close. The fact remains though that by being inside the EU, we have the opportunity to Veto or lobby for things that are for/against our interests.
Otherwise, we are just a small nation, producing nothing sat on the peripheries, while the major trade blocs conduct world affairs taking no notice of our opinion.'"
Producing nothing and them two numties who lead the major parties want to stay in when it's their parties that between them have devastated the back bone of this once great nation. We are at everybody's mercy I'm afraid when it comes to bargaining power. Get out, stop sending our money to god knows where and let's see how we go, can't be worse........... can it
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| Quote: Big lads mate "Producing nothing
And that is the thing, either way it's a gamble, so you think things can't be worse outside, well take a look it's raining.
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| Quote: Kevs Head "Freedom of movement within the EU works both ways. About 1.2 million Brits live in other EU countries.'"
Good for them, but they've voted with their feet and left so why should I be forced to live here under laws I don't agree with.
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| Quote: The Avenger "Good for them, but they've voted with their feet and left so why should I be forced to live here under laws I don't agree with.'"
Nobody's forcing you to live here.
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| Quote: TrinityIHC "Don't think anyone is saying the EU is perfect, or even anywhere near close. The fact remains though that by being inside the EU, we have the opportunity to Veto or lobby for things that are for/against our interests.
Otherwise, we are just a small nation, producing nothing sat on the peripheries, while the major trade blocs conduct world affairs taking no notice of our opinion.'"
What! The fifth biggest economy in the world. Are you seriously saying we would have no clout. I think you have been listening to Dave and his chums too much. Everybody keeps harping on about the exports to the euro zone but everybody forgets that we have a trade deficit with them,so they sell more to us than we to them. They would still need us at least as much as we need them. Also what about the trade deals they block us from doing with the rest of the world because they don't approve. People are naive in the extreme if they believe all the crap from these economists preaching doom and gloom, it's all coming from Dave's spin doctors. What next plagues of locusts and death of all the first born!
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| Quote: Kevs Head "Nobody's forcing you to live here.'"
Lovely. Get rid of all the indigenous population . mind you we will have to leave soon to make room for the rest of the world!
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| Quote: The Avenger "Good for them, but they've voted with their feet and left so why should I be forced to live here under laws I don't agree with.'"
Laws such as....?
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| Quote: The Avenger "Good for them, but they've voted with their feet and left so why should I be forced to live here under laws I don't agree with.'"
You say that you dont want laws that you haven't voted for but, it happens all the time in this country and even more so in Scotland (although partial devolution has probably improved this slightly)
Living in Yorkshire, where the majority of the population (who actually vote) historically, vote Labour but, quite often live under a Tory government or people in Southern England vote Tory but, occasionally have to live under a Labour government.
I certainly didn't vote for the Poll Tax but, we certainly had it imposed on us, thankfully this changed.
We dont always get what we want and although Europe has many faults, so does Britain.
I mentioned in an earlier post that, the population of Scotland, who were very close to becoming an independent country just a few months ago, may well be the deciding factor in the vote to stay in or leave Europe, with SNP policy being to stay and yet they dont want to be governed by Westminster, which appears quite bizarre.
The thing that scares me about exit, is the economic shock that will occur plus, the absolute unknown, with regards our future relationship with our closest neighbors.
I've listened to plenty of politicians (from different parties) and not one of them can say with any clarity or certainty, what life will be like on the outside.
Now, I like an occasional gamble but, for me, this issue it too much of a step into the unknown.
If somebody could stand up and speak honestly and openly about what the likely outcomes were, maybe I would feel differently but, currently, all I hear is political nonsense and peoples wishes but, wishes wont improve the economy for me or my children.
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| Quote: wotsupcas "What! The fifth biggest economy in the world. Are you seriously saying we would have no clout. I think you have been listening to Dave and his chums too much. Everybody keeps harping on about the exports to the euro zone but everybody forgets that we have a trade deficit with them,so they sell more to us than we to them. They would still need us at least as much as we need them. Also what about the trade deals they block us from doing with the rest of the world because they don't approve. People are naive in the extreme if they believe all the crap from these economists preaching doom and gloom, it's all coming from Dave's spin doctors. What next plagues of locusts and death of all the first born!'"
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| Quote: wotsupcas "What! The fifth biggest economy in the world. Are you seriously saying we would have no clout. I think you have been listening to Dave and his chums too much. Everybody keeps harping on about the exports to the euro zone but everybody forgets that we have a trade deficit with them,so they sell more to us than we to them. They would still need us at least as much as we need them. Also what about the trade deals they block us from doing with the rest of the world because they don't approve. People are naive in the extreme if they believe all the crap from these economists preaching doom and gloom, it's all coming from Dave's spin doctors. What next plagues of locusts and death of all the first born!'"
And then there are the people who are so naive they believe the imbecile that is bumbling Boris and think walking away from our biggest trading partner won't have any ramifications. They sell to us thanks to the tax breaks and lack of criss border red tape that being in the EU brings. Remove that then then all of a sudden it gets easier and cheaper to trade with other EU countries rather than ourselves. And thats not withstanding the big corperations based here that will move to other parts of europe to take advantage of the breaks we can no longer offer. Throw in a likely new scottish referendum to shrink the UK further and all of a sudden that economy size doesn't look as big does it?
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| Quote: Kevs Head "Nobody's forcing you to live here.'"
I don't know, voting to leave will probably make it harder to emigrate to a european country.
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| What about all the red tape that's imposed on small businesses by the Eu .
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