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| Quote: wrencat1873 "The folk on here saying RA should only have been given a one year deal and that 3 was too many are saying this because they dont rate him.
The fact is that the club looked at all the applicants, interviewed them and decided that he was the best applicant for the job.
Many on here wanted Gentle, but he joined FC, others wanted Noble, personally I would have liked us to secure Daryl Powell (apparently he didn't apply), but we appointed Mr Agar.
Who is to say he would have even come to BV on a one year deal.
Its ok to question motives etc, but 5 games in RA and JE deserve unwavering support, not folk sharpening knives,'"
I'm not quite sure why it seems to be 1 or 3. I would have thought that a 2 year deal would have been suitable to both parties. Although I do actually think that Agar would have had to take a 1 year deal if he wanted to continue as a SL head coach, as I really don't see what options he had to be choosy.
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| Quote: Bubbashrimp "The problem for you here is that under the old regime of Kath Hetherington et al, Pearson is quoted as saying that Hull FC were being run as a bottom four club.'"
Pearson is quoted as saying a lot of things, mate, like there was no truth in the rumour of Agar moving to Wakey, for one.
TBH, I'm not bothered about what went on at Hull FC, and what Pearson thinks of the world and his dog. It's his toy now, good luck to him.
This thread is about Agar/Elston and Wakey, and how long the fans will give them to produce results before the knives come out. It obviously didn't work out for Agar at Hull, but that doesn't mean it won't at a different club. All I'm saying is the guy deserves a fair chance to prove himself, like everyone else would have the right to expect in a similar situation.
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| Quote: carl_spackler "I'm not quite sure why it seems to be 1 or 3. I would have thought that a 2 year deal would have been suitable to both parties. Although I do actually think that Agar would have had to take a 1 year deal if he wanted to continue as a SL head coach, as I really don't see what options he had to be choosy.'"
His options may also have depended on the other options available to us at the time. That's something that no one other than those involved in the negotiations knows. What seems obvious to fans on the outside may not be so obvious from a different perspective. Whether it was the right option or not will become clearer as the season progresses.
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| Quote: snowie "sorry if this has been said earlier but I can't be bothered sifting through pile of poop
how do you conclude that it's "poop" if you haven't read it?
what you say about james elston bringing andrew glover on board has nothing to do with this thread. that's in the past now.
put it this way, if we lose against wire, and then heaven forbid against catalans, and if you consider our game in hand could be classified as a no-hoper against leeds, we'll have one win from 8 games. the pressure will mount on agar from the terraces whether the community on here likes it or not, and quite naturally on mr elston as a result. to pretend otherwise is shortsighted to say the least.
we need a couple of wins. all teams do.
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| Quote: fat faced fan "how do you conclude that it's "poop" if you haven't read it?
what you say about james elston bringing andrew glover on board has nothing to do with this thread. that's in the past now.
put it this way, if we lose against wire, and then heaven forbid against catalans, and if you consider our game in hand could be classified as a no-hoper against leeds, we'll have one win from 8 games. the pressure will mount on agar from the terraces whether the community on here likes it or not, and quite naturally on mr elston as a result. to pretend otherwise is shortsighted to say the least.
we need a couple of wins. all teams do.'"
You can't have it both ways FFF
If Elston brining Glover on board is in the past and not to be considered, why is he linked to Agar and his good or bad performance? Surely that's in the past too?
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| Quote: Wollo-Wollo-Wollo-Wayoo "When Agar goes I would expect Elston to do the honourable thing and follow him.'"
This thread is so fickle. Elston has done a awesome job the time he has had James has assembled a good team. Elston has put up with a lot of rubbish from our previous regime and hes kept the club ticking over. The improvements him and Glover have made are extroadinary. You people are unbelievable!
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| Quote: Wakefield No 1 "If you look at the club now, a year on from club 1873 taking over. James Elston is doing a fantastic job! nearly 9,000 for a game against Huddersfield?? unheard of in living memory!
Totally agree. Some of our fans are oblivious to whats going on infront of them.
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| I think you have to let Richard have a season and a half before even considering where we are going.
Whats to lose? no relegation
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| Quote: newgroundb4cas "This thread is so fickle. Elston has done a awesome job the time he has had James has assembled a good team. Elston has put up with a lot of rubbish from our previous regime and hes kept the club ticking over. The improvements him and Glover have made are extroadinary. You people are unbelievable!'"
i'm not sure that there has been much comment to the contrary. those that have been engaged in this debate have been discussing how long elston's reputation can remain intact if the results on the field do not improve. that's not a slight on elston.
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| Quote: PopTart "You can't have it both ways FFF
If Elston brining Glover on board is in the past and not to be considered, why is he linked to Agar and his good or bad performance? Surely that's in the past too?'"
andrew glover is here, it was his decision to come on board not james elston’s. so if things get rocky for andrew glover he can’t blame anyone but himself. we all hope that he’s with us for a long time. the change in the outlook and the attitude at the club has been for the better.
the decision to appoint agar and make a lot of the signings were made by james eslton no matter how it's dressed up. sure glover will have had final say, but since he had no rugby background i think we can safely assume that james james elston will be made to answer to glover if unfortunately things turn sour for agar. allied to this agar was appointed in the face of very vocal opposition by fans, certainly on this messageboard.
so it’s not a question of having it both ways the two situations are very different.
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| Quote: t-r-i-n-i-t-y "Every decision this club makes should be questioned otherwise we'll end up as we did under the last regime looking at the board with gooey eyes in hopes of getting invited into the inner circle. Together we are stronger? Trust no-one.'"
quite right.
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| Quote: fat faced fan "how do you conclude that it's "poop" if you haven't read it?
what you say about james elston bringing andrew glover on board has nothing to do with this thread. that's in the past now.
put it this way, if we lose against wire, and then heaven forbid against catalans, and if you consider our game in hand could be classified as a no-hoper against leeds, we'll have one win from 8 games. the pressure will mount on agar from the terraces whether the community on here likes it or not, and quite naturally on mr elston as a result. to pretend otherwise is shortsighted to say the least.
we need a couple of wins. all teams do.'"
If you think added pressure should come if we lose to Wire and Catalan then we are in trouble because we are likely to struggle in both of these games.
We should be judged, at the moment, on our performances against the likes of Cas, London, Widnes, Salford and perhaps KR, effectively the lower part of SL.
If we sneak a win against the top 8, then great, but i'm certainly not banking on it.
Hopefully next season we can push on and challenge for a top 8 spot, but I think this is unrealistic this season.
Pressure will only mount if we expect more than is reasonable and I think perhaps you might need to reign in your expectations ?
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| Quote: wrencat1873 "If you think added pressure should come if we lose to Wire and Catalan then we are in trouble because we are likely to struggle in both of these games.
We should be judged, at the moment, on our performances against the likes of Cas, London, Widnes, Salford and perhaps KR, effectively the lower part of SL.
If we sneak a win against the top 8, then great, but i'm certainly not banking on it.
Hopefully next season we can push on and challenge for a top 8 spot, but I think this is unrealistic this season.
Pressure will only mount if we expect more than is reasonable and I think perhaps you might need to reign in your expectations ?'"
i'm not advocating that pressure should come, i'm merely suggesting that from some less patient quarters it's innevitable and that it's perfectly reasonable to speculate that andrew glover will get twitchy. throughout this thread i've been consistent, if and when the moaning starts, i wonder how this will reflect on mr elston.
personally i think if morale slumps in the squad then it's going to be a tough old season for us all. i hope that agar can keep this together, and that he is supported by andrew glover, james elston and other staff and that they live up to the matra: together we're stronger.
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| I agree, that after the previous board that people should question and critique aspects of the club, that in my opinion is fair. But there must also be a balance and realism to 'fans' expectations (which i think there is to be fair) and time especially with regard to Agar's appointment and a new squad. You've only to look at McDermott at Leeds for evidence of that!!
As for Elston, and this 'pressure', he's appointed the best candidate that applied for the role and they could get, he's assembled a pretty decent squad albeit with one or two area's to iron out and those two aspects are only a small segment of what a CEO's role involves. So there shouldn't be any pressure on him at all. Unless he isn't performing in other elements of his role?
If after a season Agar hasn't been able to mould together this squad then maybe the axe should fall. But as far as i can see, whether we like it or not the best candidate was appointed and has been given the right support to do the job. Success or failure is down to the individual and their support team and should be judged over a season not 5 games and i'm sure WTW fans will given him time just as with Kear
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