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| Quote ="bren2k"Sheffield? The same Council who closed Don Valley Stadium, where the multi-medal winning Jessica Ennis CBE started her career and trained for the Olympics?
This quote from Richard Caborn in 2013 is interesting:
"Community sport is probably facing one of the bleakest periods it has had for some time. Local authorities are facing a reduction of 50% in non-discretionary spending and account for between 80% and 90% of spending on all community sports facilities. The year-on-year impact is going to be devastating."
Given that prediction, which came true, it's even more baffling that Wakefield Council are prepared to dismiss the Newmarket development as nothing to do with them; I would have thought that the development of a Community Stadium at virtually no cost to their budget and without the need for ongoing discretionary funding, would have been manna from heaven. But no - Mr Box says it's a private arrangement between the Developer and The Trust, so he isn't interested.'"
I suppose the fact the facility existed in the first place to be demolished shows the difference in attitude to sports between the two cities. Happily for Sheffield they seem keen to replace what they lost fairly swiftly. I think they were also looking to renovate an existing smaller stadium and running track for the provision of athletics.
One question I do have, even if there was the political will to hold Yorkcourt to there pre development promises, is there any money to actually do it. Yes it may put a stop to the development at NM, but it wouldn't help in the slightest in providing sports facilities for Wakefield.
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| And we all know why Box is not interested!
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| The Sheffield situation does show what can be achieved IF the right people get behind a project and have the will to make it happen.
Unfortunately, there does appear to be something missing from our own situation.
Of course, Sheffield does need to secure some funding but, they wont suffer the same planning difficulties that we have endured.
Mind you, knocking down a (relatively) new stadium to build something similar in its place, albeit with some additional facilities seems bonkers, we could have made use of the main stand that they had down there.
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| Don Valley was a white elephant, a basket case and it needed knocking down.
Don't let the nostalgic whingings convince you otherwise.
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| Not surprised that a certain person don't appear interested there is a man who stated in the local rag about something not being needed and expensive etc and then goes and votes in favour of it happening.Now that's a train of thought for you at high speed.
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| Quote ="Wildcatfan"Absolutely snowie ! Wakefield council are shocking and must be a laughing stock amongst other councils across the country.'"
Yet people keep voting them in!!
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| I wonder if Balfour Beatty want to give back some money they managed to precure from the people of Wakefield...
[urlhttp://www.wakefieldexpress.co.uk/news/business/business-news/firms-make-milliions-after-stake-in-mid-yorkshire-hospitals-pfi-scheme-is-sold-offshore-1-6876749#.VC6yxST_I9Q.twitter[/url
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| Quote ="Wakefield No 1"I wonder if Balfour Beatty want to give back some money they managed to precure from the people of Wakefield...
[urlhttp://www.wakefieldexpress.co.uk/news/business/business-news/firms-make-milliions-after-stake-in-mid-yorkshire-hospitals-pfi-scheme-is-sold-offshore-1-6876749#.VC6yxST_I9Q.twitter[/url'"
But yet the mid-yorkshire hospitals are crippled with debt and laying people off, how can this be so if PFI schemes are that great for us taxpayers. Definitely seem to be great for the likes of Balfour Beatty and their partners. I bet the top brass of both sides made a nice little earner out of this.
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| See York council have tonight given support and some financial support to the City of York community stadium and we have the WMDC stating that the City of Wakefield Community Stadium is nothing to do with them.
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| Quote ="M62 J30 TRINITY"See York council have tonight given support and some financial support to the City of York community stadium and we have the WMDC stating that the City of Wakefield Community Stadium is nothing to do with them.'"
The decision by York can only help our political aims.
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| Seems Calderdale council are worse than WMDC, they have been illegally charging for roadside parking since 2008 :0
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| Quote ="M62 J30 TRINITY"See York council have tonight given support and some financial support to the City of York community stadium and we have the WMDC stating that the City of Wakefield Community Stadium is nothing to do with them.'"
They only have to support one team - York City Knights.
They don't have to find financial help for three - Castleford, Wakefield and Fev.
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| Quote ="Fully"
They only have to support one team - York City Knights. They don't have to find financial help for three - Castleford, Wakefield and Fev.'"
Aye - there's the rub. Support the Cas stadium with money and we'd be up in arms (and probably Fev as well). Support the Trin stadium with money and they'd be up in arms (and probably Fev as well). They could split any money 3 ways but then there wouldn't be enough for any of them. Do nothing and you'll get criticism from all three. I wouldn't like to be in the position of the decision maker.
However (there's always a "however"icon_wink.gif there's a lot more support that could be given without it being in cash, be it pressure, planning permission issues, publicity, facilitating links with other funding partners/bodies etc. It could be that this is going on in the background but we don't know. With the past history of the project (I'm reminded of Cllr Box turning up in a Cas shirt when we were lobbying them) it's natural to assume that they're doing nothing, but we may be wrong.
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| Quote ="sandcat20"Aye - there's the rub. Support the Cas stadium with money and we'd be up in arms (and probably Fev as well). Support the Trin stadium with money and they'd be up in arms (and probably Fev as well). They could split any money 3 ways but then there wouldn't be enough for any of them. Do nothing and you'll get criticism from all three. I wouldn't like to be in the position of the decision maker.
However (there's always a "however"icon_wink.gif there's a lot more support that could be given without it being in cash, be it pressure, planning permission issues, publicity, facilitating links with other funding partners/bodies etc. It could be that this is going on in the background but we don't know. With the past history of the project (I'm reminded of Cllr Box turning up in a Cas shirt when we were lobbying them) it's natural to assume that they're doing nothing, but we may be wrong.'"
Could have got the 106 sorted properly to start with.
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| Quote ="Fully"They only have to support one team - York City Knights.
They don't have to find financial help for three - Castleford, Wakefield and Fev.'"
If WMDC are skint they can still offer support to a community facility run by an independent trust not a club. The we have 3 clubs has been an easy cop out by the WMDC for years, plenty of towns/Cities have more than 1 sporting club but still offer help support and sometimes finance for the best facilities for its clubs and public. I don't think we expect WMDC to build the community stadium but a bit of support wouldn't go a miss. The sports facilities for a City the size of a Wakefield are a disgrace so you would think the local authority would do all they can to help sports faculties.
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| Quote ="M62 J30 TRINITY"If WMDC are skint they can still offer support to a community facility run by an independent trust not a club. The we have 3 clubs has been an easy cop out by the WMDC for years, plenty of towns/Cities have more than 1 sporting club but still offer help support and sometimes finance for the best facilities for its clubs and public. I don't think we expect WMDC to build the community stadium but a bit of support wouldn't go a miss. The sports facilities for a City the size of a Wakefield are a disgrace so you would think the local authority would do all they can to help sports faculties.'"
I am not disagreeing that it'd be nice for them to help all three clubs out. But it's getting harder and harder to justify it when you see what a state the district is in. However, what may be interesting to see is the amount of money other councils get compared to WMDC. And I'm struggling to think - certainly in rugby league - of two teams in the same council area bar Bradford perhaps and Hull and they will get loads of money from covering the east.
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| Quote ="Fully"I am not disagreeing. However, what may be interesting to see is the amount of money other councils get compared to WMDC. And I'm struggling to think - certainly in rugby league - of two teams in the same council area bar Bradford perhaps and Hull and they will get loads of money from covering the east.'"
It probably doesn't matter to them but aren't Wigan and Leigh under the same council? Swinton and Salford?
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| Kirklees have Huddersfield batley Dewsbury. Wigan council built Leigh sports village then we have the inept WMDC
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| Quote ="Fully"I am not disagreeing that it'd be nice for them to help all three clubs out. But it's getting harder and harder to justify it when you see what a state the district is in. However, what may be interesting to see is the amount of money other councils get compared to WMDC. And I'm struggling to think - certainly in rugby league - of two teams in the same council area bar Bradford perhaps and Hull and they will get loads of money from covering the east.'"
You are making the classic mistake of confusing capital spend with revenue spend. Putting £2m into a community stadium will have no effect on the number of care homes, libraries or other social care support mechanisms. It is capital spend and they can own a share of it if they like and hence still show it on their capital asset register!
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| What chance have we got when the leader of the council is a shareholder in the club that would suffer the most if we got a new stadium?
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| Quote ="TrinityIHC"What chance have we got when the leader of the council is a shareholder in the club that would suffer the most if we got a new stadium?'"
The cynical ones amongst us, never thought that we would move to a new ground before Cas and that it would be 2 new grounds or none.
Of course, the gaol posts have moved, with regard to stadium requirements in SL and who knows, we may eventually see something for our club but, after so many knock backs and false/broken promises it is difficult to believe that anything will happen.
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| Quote ="TrinityIHC"What chance have we got when the leader of the council is a shareholder in the club that would suffer the most if we got a new stadium?'"
That is a myth.
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| Quote ="Tigerade"That is a myth.'"
No it most definitely isn't. He has admitted it previously, but acknowledged that he'd only bought the minimum value out of curiosity!
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| Quote ="TRB"No it most definitely isn't. He has admitted it previously, but acknowledged that he'd only bought the minimum value out of curiosity!'"
Fair do's TRB - I'll trust your right on that one.
I still don't think WTW fans should feel threatened though on such a trivial thing as owning a few shares.
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| Quote ="Tigerade"Fair do's TRB - I'll trust your right on that one.
I still don't think WTW fans should feel threatened though on such a trivial thing as owning a few shares.'"
I don't think that its ownership of just a few shares that is the issue, it's more about even-handedness and large projects of this type usually need the people at the top to drive things forward and occasionally bang heads together.
Can the people of Wakefield rely on the council leader to do this or, will the project succeed in spite of who is in power ?
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