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Quote: TV200 "Why what's the problem ?
There's always 2 sides to a story , are we only allowed to post hearts and flowers?'"


Indeed there are - however both parties need to be telling the truth rather than twisting the facts to suit for it to be a genuine debate eusa_think.gif

That's you by the way...

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Quote: vastman "Indeed there are - however both parties need to be telling the truth rather than twisting the facts tot suit for it to be a genuine debate
What is the main fact ? YC did not deliver
The opposition at the PI told us so many times that this would happen and it did , the club was so blinkered by the loose promise of a stadium that common sense was ignored . Or do you see it differently ?

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Quote: TV200 "What is the main fact ? YC did not deliver
The opposition at the PI told us so many times that this would happen and it did , the club was so blinkered by the loose promise of a stadium that common sense was ignored . Or do you see it differently ?'"


Who says YC have not delivered - you don't know that yet. What you should have put is that YC have not delivered NM as per the original plans. Maybe it's early and you're not on your game yet.

By club I assume you mean Trust as the clubs input in this is and always was minimal, that's why it was called a community stadium - common error for the terminally ignorant.

So yes you do clearly see things differently it would appear - you see what you want to see. icon_thumb.gif

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Quote: Poynton "The apologists for the club who pontificate on here have lost all credibility over this and the deadly silence from the club is an insult to season ticket holders. All promise no action as usual. Unfortunately this club is the laughing stock of the rugby league because it is so shambolic in the way it is run.'"

So Michael Carter and Chris Brereton are running the club in a shambolic way?
The 'apologists' on here have worked damned hard towards the goal of a new stadium.
Do not blame them for things which are out of their control!

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Quote: Jack the Beagle "So Michael Carter and Chris Brereton are running the club in a shambolic way?
The 'apologists' on here have worked damned hard towards the goal of a new stadium.
Do not blame them for things which are out of their control!'"
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Michael Carter was involved in the club when Elston was running it in to the ground. What sort of an accountant is he? Just look at the website and try and buy a ticket for the next home game and you get offered tickets for last season. Do they really want to make money or what? If you want to wear rose coloured spectacles and have faith in people who have already failed the club then carry on. I could go on old settee in the toilets turnstiles never opened etc etc

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Quote: Poynton "Michael Carter was involved in the club when Elston was running it in to the ground. What sort of an accountant is he? Just look at the website and try and buy a ticket for the next home game and you get offered tickets for last season. Do they really want to make money or what? If you want to wear rose coloured spectacles and have faith in people who have already failed the club then carry on. I could go on old settee in the toilets turnstiles never opened etc etc'"


My word what a load of guff.

I'm still baffled as to why MC wants to be involved in the club, I can't see his motive and that still worries me.

However there is no doubt he has sorted the club out in a big way which shows he's a bang on accountant.

As for his part in the Glover era, he came in late - wasn't the clubs actual accountant and unless he'd have made a big effort to look would not have seen the dodgy figures right until the end (the last 12 month) - if you knew anything about running a RL club it's very easy to cook the books so as even the best accountants can't spot the scam.

He's probably not guilt free but it's unfair to blame him for not spotting the problem any quicker than anyone else in the game.

As for the way the clubs run today it's not slick I agree, but in the list of priorities facing MC and Co it's not that bad.

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Quote: vastman "My word what a load of guff.

I'm still baffled as to why MC wants to be involved in the club, I can't see his motive and that still worries me.

However there is no doubt he has sorted the club out in a big way which shows he's a bang on accountant.

As for his part in the Glover era, he came in late - wasn't the clubs actual accountant and unless he'd have made a big effort to look would not have seen the dodgy figures right until the end (the last 12 month) - if you knew anything about running a RL club it's very easy to cook the books so as even the best accountants can't spot the scam.

He's probably not guilt free but it's unfair to blame him for not spotting the problem any quicker than anyone else in the game.

As for the way the clubs run today it's not slick I agree, but in the list of priorities facing MC and Co it's not that bad.'"

Wasn't Eric T the accountant during Glover's era?

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Quote: JINJER "Wasn't Eric T the accountant during Glover's era?'"


Don't think so but you might be right, certainly was under the Ted regime.

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After MC came in didn't he say he know what the debts are then a month later found another 150k missing !
Didn't look had enough .....maybe

I know what money he as put in and fair play but what interest his he getting out ?

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Quote: vastman "Who says YC have not delivered - you don't know that yet. What you should have put is that YC have not delivered NM as per the original plans. Maybe it's early and you're not on your game yet.

By club I assume you mean Trust as the clubs input in this is and always was minimal, that's why it was called a community stadium - common error for the terminally ignorant.

So yes you do clearly see things differently it would appear - you see what you want to see.
The one thing I don't see is a stadium any time soon , unless they can build one in just over 6 months for the 2015 season as planned ...so for me not delivered

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Quote: TV200 "The one thing I don't see is a stadium any time soon , unless they can build one in just over 6 months for the 2015 season as planned ...so for me not delivered'"


Bit pedantic but true true I suppose, I can't see that happening by then myself or certainly not in it's entirety.

However would that not fall under "not delivered on time" and as you claim there was no time limit in the agreement so surely that doesn't count icon_thumb.gif

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Quote: vastman "Bit pedantic but true true I suppose, I can't see that happening by then myself or certainly not in it's entirety.

However would that not fall under "not delivered on time" and as you claim there was no time limit in the agreement so surely that doesn't count Splitting hairs
So you could say I'm a lottery winner but my number have not just come up yet?

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Quote: TV200 "Splitting hairs
So you could say I'm a lottery winner but my number have not just come up yet?'"


Yep,

Isn't that what you're doing until the facts are in the open - in the broader sense a change of plan for the right reasons is not a failure to deliver.

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Quote: vastman "Yep,

Isn't that what you're doing until the facts are in the open - in the broader sense a change of plan for the right reasons is not a failure to deliver.'"


So I refer you to some of my earlier posts the club/WCT say nothing and Res 4 NM say "good news but can't say anything " so please tell us all the facts

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Quote: TV200 "So I refer you to some of my earlier posts the club/WCT say nothing and Res 4 NM say "good news but can't say anything " so please tell us all the facts'"


Not my place is it, all in due course. There is such a thing as confidentiality so don't lets be silly. We live in a democracy not a free for all.

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