no clue in defence or attack and most of all: no pride, no passion. Only ones that seem to be bothered lately are Cockayne, Mathers, Fox, Aiton and possibly Wood (for the 10 min game time he gets every week anyway). Either Agar isn't firing them up or there's something seriously wrong in the dressing room as half of em dont look interested. First time i've come away from a game and seriously considered not coming back, utter cack!

For me only Fox and Cockayne put in any "Local Derby" effort last night. It meant sod all to the rest of our journeymen. Watched the Wigan v Saints game when I got in and saw Gareth Hock put in the kind have performance that I will probably not live to see in a Trinity player ever again.

Yes it says it all when your two wingers are the only ones after Ali went off who look capable of breaking a tackle, and make. More metres down the middle of the park then the forwards. Mind you it is no coincidence, given both cockayne and fox run straight and hard, whereas thè forwards amble up like their out for a morning jog.

Our problem is other than the small minority the players have no aggression in either attack or defence, I am sick of seeing us concede easy metres because the markers are lazy and the first tackler goes to clamp the ball allowing the opposition to run 10 or more metres cos there's no one around the legs. Trying to tackle around the chest is hard enough when you actually try it with impact, but when you have only moved up 2m and are stood stationary waiting to make the tackle, as we are, it's ten times harder.

It is a joke, there is no fire or aggression. It's the same boring game plans week in week out. On the back of Catalans we had a chance to claim two more scalps and really push on. However it's the same old crap!! It's a shame because the fans are supporting the best they can but I really feel this will change as its just not good enough. The Catalan game was a great first half but the second we nearly let it slip, London was that bad I was embarrassed and last night was terrible.As for the trouble it's just a sorry state that the family game is going down that road because of a few idiots. They should be banned and charged.

I hate to say it but........AGAR OUT!!!

we have a very small pack, so we were never going to get any joy in the middle of the field. the gaps were always going to be out wide for us. unfortunately smith seems to be a bit of a one trick pony turning the ball back inside, which would be fine if your forwards are on top but not in our current situation.

also our defensive line speed was non existent, we just did not move up at all. the cas halfbacks had an absolute age to decide what they wanted to do. on one occasion in second half richard owen jogged along the line with no one making any attempt to close him down.

get agar out now (and he can take smith and mellars with him)

Our performance in the last two games has been nothing sort of amateur standard tripe.

- No passion
- No desire
- No aggression
- No organisation
- Complete lack of any defensive structure
- Zero attacking options
- No kicking game

I could go on....

It's hugely disappointing and extremely embarrassing

I can only look in envy at the amount of young (under 25) English kids Cas puts out every week, no they arnt going to win anything, but That Clarky at hooker is simply sensational, and IMHO there is only Roby infront of him at 9 in SL. Johnny Walker another 21 year old prop, outstanding, and as for Owen being finished, not on last nights performance, all our over seas players dont give a to55 about derby games, its just another game, but we all know its far from that !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I think there was only a select few players for us that came out of that game last night with their head held high....

1 - Fox for me MOM by a country mile. Our forwards could learn a lot from him re effort and commitment re taking the team/ball forward. He got through a ton of work again. Respect to the Fox!

2 - Cockayne, Aiton, Sykes & Washbrook - All tried hard and work their socks off.

The rest for me were poor to say the least

Time for change, get Walshaw in for Mellars and getting Ellis involved would be a good start. Wood also needs more game time

The pass which lead to the Fox try was majestic!

However The try he let in 2nd half by shooting out was not

I'll say this, patience is a virtue often rewarded!

Keep the faith and don't throw the baby out with the bath water.

Better times are ahead both in the short and long term.