I agree fully with all that. There would be nobody happier than me to be staying at a souped up belle vue but after all the disappointments of the past i'll avoid getting excited just yet. Fingers crossed the ones positive about this are for once right as we don't half need them to be.

Hope you don't mid some input from a neutral Cas fan. Reading between the lines it would seem to me that YC were going to contribute about half towards the stadium as part of the S106 agreement and the rest was going to be made up of grants which sir rod was going to secure. However with money drying up on all sides that left just the YC money and rather than wait for years sir rod has decided realistically it isn't going to happen and the best way forward would be to take the YC money and buy Belle vue and develop it. i think earlier in the thread TRB said it would still be owned by the trust so you must be buying it back for the trust to own it.

First of all Bren it's not typical as you say - you want to come to swag meetings e- mail Trb and join swag and you will go on the Invite - simple.

Then you will know exactly the same as do I or Trb etc - not much!

The few bits we have not made public is purely because there is a large element of speculation involved - so why give false hope - some posters would love that!

We have to be mature about this, we the fans are not that important when we are talking other people's money.

Which leads me to your point that it stinks. Well you're right of course it does - we are not stupid. We are not powerless but we are fighting powerfully forces and have to be canny - what we can't do is be emotional and make folk take their bat home.

As for bv wait and see what's on offer before dissing it. It's my opinion that it can work but how well depends on final figure and I don't know them and I don't want to give false hope. I will say it does involve all the land needed but surely you understand why people don't want to show their hand on that one or it will end up costing ten times more!

Just bare with us or text Trb for the next meeting - applies to all - but don't expect to become much more enlightened

Your very smart and well informed - mmm

All very sensible Vasty, but I'm afraid it is typical - there are always a select few who know more than most so this time around, I'll defer being over-enthused until the full plans become public.

I was involved in the PI for NM and arranged for the Principal of a local Academy to speak in favour of the development; I spent the day there and heard people wax lyrical about the benefits of the community stadium - nobody spoke about the industrial development, because the community sports facilities were the main focus - to discover that the local residents will now have the distribution centre foisted upon them without the community stadium to mitigate the harm, is a kick in the teeth. I don't imagine that a single one of the people who spoke in favour would have done so if they had any idea that would end up being used as dupes to allow a developer to make a pile of cash. I certainly wouldn't have been involved.

Forgive me for feeling less than enthusiastic about this, but it's not what we were promised.

Is anyone in a position to say which, if any, "community facilities" will be affected in all this? All the talk at the minute seems to centre around a rugby stadium which is understandable as it's a rugby forum, but not heard anything about the other bits that were set to benefit wakefield and the 5 towns district.

So if I read between the lines correctly, Yorkcourt are standing by all their original promises and what has changed is that all the other sources of funding have dried up that would have otherwise made up the shortfall. So the choices are:
1. Wait for other sources of capital to make up the shortfall as some kind of gift or grant.
2. Use the money available to make a good job of Belle Vue.
3. Wait for a Wakey fan to win the Euromillions on a triple rollover week.

Has to be said that option 2 seems by far the best one.

As far as I'm concerned, new stands down the sides and a spruced up North Stand is all Belle Vue needs.

Jeez Bren for someone who claims and seems to be smart you really are slow on the uptake at times.

First of all Bren, be realistic there will always be people more in the know than others, that is a universal fact in anything. You and I know X, a couple of SWAG people know XX, the club probably know XXX but as these are the two main players YC and The Trust (Sir Rodney) know it all. As they are the only people who matter because one has the money and the other the authority why would you think you would ever know what they know, come on.

I said read between the lines as I will for now have to be cryptic with what little I know.

To help a bit further for you to find where a major part of the fault lays look for the one organisation I have not mentioned. An organisation who initially passed NM, who then pushed it through the enquiry and at least IMO were the ones duty bound to the ratepayers to make sure there were NO LOOPHOLES in the agreement which as is standard practice was drawn up by THE DEVELOPER





That my friend is where the fault is.

As eluded to by a learned Cas fan on this thread, the developer if he plays it straight will give us the money he would have put into NM to BV minus grants etc and then he will have fulfilled his obligation and can do with NM as he pleases - other than chuck up a few changing rooms and a pitch for the"community"





I can't say the figures mentioned because if that gets out into the public domain it will inevitably inflate certain element - which we don't want.

All I can say is it won't be a lick of paint for BV it wi if it all happens be a transformation - not NM I concede but certainly something that would be similar to the Shay at Halifax - that would do me.

I understand exactly what's going on Vasty - which leads me back to my original point; that WTW and by extension its supporters, have been shafted again by the actions, or omissions, of other organisations who don't have the club's best interests at heart.

So I won't be joining the 'keep quiet and don't upset YC' campaign I'm afraid - I remain convinced that NM was the last best hope for this club to shake off the past and go forward with a facility that was future-proof; that isn't going to happen now, and it appears that YC have a large part to play in that - being clever enough to draft a s106 agreement that WMDC were subsequently not clever enough to check properly, then pull a manoeuvre to be free of its obligations, is not something I choose to celebrate.

There are wider concerns here than just WTW, and everyone has lost out; except YC.

So you're happy to lay the blame at the feet of the developer whose primary purpose is to make money and satisfy his shareholders. Yet from what Vasty is saying, and what you're ignoring, is that the party that should have been fighting for the results we were led to believe we would get is the one that has failed to fulfill it's purpose.

No, that's not what I said. At all.

Bren our down fall is we don't own the ground due to Ted trying to rearrange his finances to keep the club running and now we pay astronomical rent that could put the club out of business if we cant keep up with the rest, if the club can't run on a new Belle Vue ground and additional area I'd be bob smacked but yes it does need more than a paint job.

you might think that the club has been shafted but while Newmarket was going to be a community stadium it wasn't just aimed at Wakefield Trinity, either way we are in a position to bargain with YC but hell could they make life hard for us