It's the "fit for purpose" quote that is most important to me.
If Belle Vue is just painted up, then I'll be disappointed.
If Belle Vue is developed in such a way that it will be a modern stadium with good access, modern facilities and stands that allow you to see all four corner flags with no obstruction then great.

I had let the history and emotional tie to the ground go with the possibility of a sparkly new stadium but as long as Belle Vue is "fit for purpose" in 21st century England, then it is the better option.

I will be able to tell my son that the nice new stadium he stands in (when he is old enough to go) is the same that his dad, uncle, grandad and greatgrandad stood in.
That is a valuable thing to be able to say.

Lets say "possibly" for now

Been away for quite a while with no internet access and returned to all this.
I am with you Vasty as this proposition really does excite me far more than Newmarket.
Let's hope it comes off .
For me even two new stands and vastly upgrading the rest would be great and more importantly demonstrate that all the hard hard work and sheer frustation of the last 'God knows how many years' will not have been wasted.

that is the object for the stadium mods making sure we find all faults and rectify them, I would like to think that we can have a stadium that is slightly better than a 'fit for purpose'

Just wondering.....when we do the new stadium, wherever it is......
Can we have an iPitch? Seems to work for us !!!!!

Typically for WTW, it seems that some people know what the proposals are and as such, are happy about them; the rest of us are in the dark.

Personally, without inside knowledge, I can't see how a modern, attractive, revenue generating facility can be created at BV, without knocking the whole thing down and starting again, not to mention owning Superbowl.

I still feel like there's been some double-dealing, and I don't like the smell of that.

I agree fully with all that. There would be nobody happier than me to be staying at a souped up belle vue but after all the disappointments of the past i'll avoid getting excited just yet. Fingers crossed the ones positive about this are for once right as we don't half need them to be.

Hope you don't mid some input from a neutral Cas fan. Reading between the lines it would seem to me that YC were going to contribute about half towards the stadium as part of the S106 agreement and the rest was going to be made up of grants which sir rod was going to secure. However with money drying up on all sides that left just the YC money and rather than wait for years sir rod has decided realistically it isn't going to happen and the best way forward would be to take the YC money and buy Belle vue and develop it. i think earlier in the thread TRB said it would still be owned by the trust so you must be buying it back for the trust to own it.

First of all Bren it's not typical as you say - you want to come to swag meetings e- mail Trb and join swag and you will go on the Invite - simple.

Then you will know exactly the same as do I or Trb etc - not much!

The few bits we have not made public is purely because there is a large element of speculation involved - so why give false hope - some posters would love that!

We have to be mature about this, we the fans are not that important when we are talking other people's money.

Which leads me to your point that it stinks. Well you're right of course it does - we are not stupid. We are not powerless but we are fighting powerfully forces and have to be canny - what we can't do is be emotional and make folk take their bat home.

As for bv wait and see what's on offer before dissing it. It's my opinion that it can work but how well depends on final figure and I don't know them and I don't want to give false hope. I will say it does involve all the land needed but surely you understand why people don't want to show their hand on that one or it will end up costing ten times more!

Just bare with us or text Trb for the next meeting - applies to all - but don't expect to become much more enlightened

Your very smart and well informed - mmm

Is anyone in a position to say which, if any, "community facilities" will be affected in all this? All the talk at the minute seems to centre around a rugby stadium which is understandable as it's a rugby forum, but not heard anything about the other bits that were set to benefit wakefield and the 5 towns district.

So if I read between the lines correctly, Yorkcourt are standing by all their original promises and what has changed is that all the other sources of funding have dried up that would have otherwise made up the shortfall. So the choices are:
1. Wait for other sources of capital to make up the shortfall as some kind of gift or grant.
2. Use the money available to make a good job of Belle Vue.
3. Wait for a Wakey fan to win the Euromillions on a triple rollover week.

Has to be said that option 2 seems by far the best one.

As far as I'm concerned, new stands down the sides and a spruced up North Stand is all Belle Vue needs.

Jeez Bren for someone who claims and seems to be smart you really are slow on the uptake at times.

First of all Bren, be realistic there will always be people more in the know than others, that is a universal fact in anything. You and I know X, a couple of SWAG people know XX, the club probably know XXX but as these are the two main players YC and The Trust (Sir Rodney) know it all. As they are the only people who matter because one has the money and the other the authority why would you think you would ever know what they know, come on.

I said read between the lines as I will for now have to be cryptic with what little I know.

To help a bit further for you to find where a major part of the fault lays look for the one organisation I have not mentioned. An organisation who initially passed NM, who then pushed it through the enquiry and at least IMO were the ones duty bound to the ratepayers to make sure there were NO LOOPHOLES in the agreement which as is standard practice was drawn up by THE DEVELOPER

That my friend is where the fault is.

As eluded to by a learned Cas fan on this thread, the developer if he plays it straight will give us the money he would have put into NM to BV minus grants etc and then he will have fulfilled his obligation and can do with NM as he pleases - other than chuck up a few changing rooms and a pitch for the"community"

I can't say the figures mentioned because if that gets out into the public domain it will inevitably inflate certain element - which we don't want.

All I can say is it won't be a lick of paint for BV it wi if it all happens be a transformation - not NM I concede but certainly something that would be similar to the Shay at Halifax - that would do me.

I understand exactly what's going on Vasty - which leads me back to my original point; that WTW and by extension its supporters, have been shafted again by the actions, or omissions, of other organisations who don't have the club's best interests at heart.

So I won't be joining the 'keep quiet and don't upset YC' campaign I'm afraid - I remain convinced that NM was the last best hope for this club to shake off the past and go forward with a facility that was future-proof; that isn't going to happen now, and it appears that YC have a large part to play in that - being clever enough to draft a s106 agreement that WMDC were subsequently not clever enough to check properly, then pull a manoeuvre to be free of its obligations, is not something I choose to celebrate.

There are wider concerns here than just WTW, and everyone has lost out; except YC.