I’m not into the coach must go thing but Chester must be looked at due to the poor win ratio over the last 30 matches or so
Now is that injuries or something else who knows but one glaring thing for me is that Hampshire and Miller both play better as off the cuff maverick players and two of those at half back just doesn’t work broughy didn’t really work this time around but a proper organiser with one of those two would be much better as for which I’m not sure as they both have something to offer but not together
If we have our own genuine no.7 then in this season with no relegation let’s see him given a go we aren’t going to win anything but at least we will have an idea of what we actually need for next year

So you like the way we play when we’ve a full team out and you like what he does, ive heard it all now. Sport is about results and in case you hadn’t noticed we have won something like 5 games from 26 with a win percentage of around 20 per cent. Correct me if I’m wrong but the team we have and the squad we have by your reckoning is the best we’ve had in super league. So would you like to just keep plodding on getting beat every week with the occasional win and a we’ve turned the corner rolled out again.

The problem is Wakefield fans settle for second best and probably turn up to a game looking for improvement on the last game, better efforts from individual players but not expecting a win.
Hard core supporters have excepted that without more support money will npt be made available for better quality signings.
Its become the norm for supporters to debate the cost of quality players without any real knowledge.
Budgets are obviously impprtant but fans have no idea of whats available or who receives what.
We are a club that seems to take many risks providing they dont cost much instead of the occasional risk and more cost.

cas have built a good team over the years despite being relegated twice in the last 15 year. They are light years ahead of us with probably a similar amount of cash and they had to sell some players to keep the club afloat but spent it wisely

Yes the big lads seemed to lack any real intensity going forward but we never had any real momentum with the exception of the odd few sets. The problem was Catalans were turning us round by kicking early and with Jowitt, Croft and Senior who are some what inexperienced it’s difficult to gain any yardage for when the forwards come in. With TJ, BJB, Lyne and Tupou we often break the odd tackle and find a quick PTB which is when the forwards can do some real damage.

Whilst that is true currently they did get relegated twice from super league something we have miracously avoided. The appointment of Powell in 2013 seems to have been the catalyst for their improvement.

Man for man over last 7 years don’t think they have been any better individually as us, the difference I suspect is the quality of coaching and also their ability to get the best out of relatively ordinary players. Like us they have had an awful lot of couldn’t do it or slightly over the hill players.

Yet despite this in the last 3 years they have finished 5 th 3 rd and top of the table.

Looking at their squad they have a young home grown product in Truman (hampshire) , a let go from a big club in Richardson (miller) 34 year old Michael Shenton,(Atkins) Darrel Olpherts not wanted at Salford (lynne) 3 plodding forwards in Milner , Massey and Roberts, Pick ups from relegated clubs matautia, o Brian , (gigot, Kay )

Yes they do seem to have better quality young lads from the local area, and be more capable of protecting them from the big clubs picking them up at a young age.

I could go on but to me it’s not the players but the culture of the club be that coaching, the clubs position in local society, pride in playing for the club, we really looked to have kicked on 3 years ago and I thought the last 2 years after retaining most of the top 5 team would be our chance of success - ok injuries have been a big problem but then again it was for cas

Financially we probably don’t have much in the way of options at the moment, but I do think Chester either needs to go or the club needs to bring an experienced individual or team to support him.

This seems the pattern with Westerman who, since leaving Cas as one of the most promising young forwards in the game, to go to Hull, has always disappointed. Wire gave him a chance - and unwisely spent £150k doing so - and he looked 'promising again' ( if it's OK to look 'promising' at the age of 26) for a few games thereafter underformed mightily for the rest of his time with us.

The difference between good and very good or, great players is the ability to get things right every time and under pressure.
Every player in SL etc can pass, tackle and catch a ball but, the better the player, the more often they can get it right.

The comparisons with Cas are pretty good, in so far as each player seems to progress individually while they are at the club.
At Trinity, there are too many going the wrong way, which, no matter how you wrap it up, is down to coaching.

And a couple of finals and beaten us for about the last 15

Who comes in to replace Chester and would money be made available.

Well he missed 3 tackles below knee by 3rd man in in the first 15 mins gave us one set restart and overturned a blatant penalty to us which they scored from so yes a refereeing masterclass

There are loads of Cas players who don't progress.

People have said the same about every Wakefield coach when we lose and especially when we lose to Cas.
It's no more true after a loss than Chester being a super coach after we win.

Kear used to get loads of stick on here but now it's Chester's turn so the same people want Kear to come back and fix everything.

At the end of the day we were playing with a debutant who had two trainng sessions, a kid who's only played one first team game before and not played at all since at least March, a fullback on the wing, a half back who although athletic with many skills no other club wanted to play at halfback...... Against a guy who played State of Origin a year ago and has played for Australia, a well sought after scrum half, a dual code international who is renowned as being one of the very best at what he does and an international Hooker with a couple of grand final and challenge cup wins to his name
And we were in the game.

To pick a team up who is busted and been beaten by a massive margin a week earlier is also a coaches job. It was always going to be tough but we improved which is what I ask of the coach.

If the club does decide to stick with him and that does seem the case certainly for this year he needs a mcdermott or kear to help him out for sure

The thing with Chester now for me is, I just don't get where he is coming from as re. selections and where HE sees the best way forward? There seems to be too many contradictions in what he is saying then what he actually does! Take yesterday, he has Jowitt, Hampshire & Walker available, so after saying Jowitt was going to get a run in the halves, he plays him on the wing, goes with Miller & Hampshire, who actually did pretty well I thought, as they did at the back end of 2018 together, but he saw fit to bring in Brough, yet now goes back to them 2?! He simply doesn't know what his best combinations are, because he has too many options, and has to justify them being in the squad by trying to juggle eyeryone about. Westerman has to play because he signed him, but then Arona, ohh i'll play him at prop then to get him in somewhere?! In 2017 & 2018 the team picked itself with few injuries, so therefore he didn't have to make any real decisions, in the last 18 months he's had to make more decisions and sadly he has gotten more wrong than right, including signings, remember Baldwinson, Reynolds etc? Maybe now he either needs help, or we need to move in a different direction, and actually have some direction from the head coach.

Do you think that Chester who I think as now been an head coach about 6 years would have someone to come in and basically sort him out, to me that sends a message out to every club that he’s not an head coach cause he can’t make the right decisions. Any suggestion of that would probably see him walk away imo

The problem Poptart is that the debutant with only two training sessions looked better than some of our regular players. I wonder if this is because his game is based on Huddersfield coaching not Chester.
I think of Tanginoa who when he first arrived was a tackle breaking wide running second row and now he is a prop which is just a waste of his natural ability.
If we take yesterday’s game we had a loose forward at prop but three props on the bench, only one hooker whilst omitting the other and a young lad at centre when Atkins would have been the obvious choice. I expect the latter was because of his promise to give youth a chance.
I am sure that there are people much closer to the club but I just sense something is wrong in the dressing room. I am concerned with the sudden increase in rumours of contracted players leaving, this is something we have avoided over the last few seasons but are back again after the lockdown. It may just be press speculation I guess time will tell but to lose your best players in a team playing the way we are is not conducive to season ticket sales and crowd numbers.

When your pack loses the arm wrestle it makes the game very difficult. Catalans had the better of the forward exchanges, got the points on the board in the first half, and Wakefield were left with a mountain to climb. A positive in that they fought to the end, but the negative being you never looked like winning the game.
Chester has a free hand to try anything with no relegation, so I was rather surprised you brought in Senior on a loan deal ( unless it was just for the Challenge Cup). There's no excuse for any coach not to look to the future should there be nothing to play for, further down the line in 2020.

What's happened green who we signed from hull fc

You weren't the only one...he is here for a month.

Decisions will go for and against you, but overall he had a decent game.

What new coaching staff? I’m pretty sure Covid has reduced funds as it is, never mind paying off Chester and how many coaches. It’s just not feasible to sack Chester at this point.

If Chester leaves this year, it’ll be his choice. We’ve got a nothing season ahead of us now, I’d like to see us be more enterprising in attack like we were yesterday.

I still can't get over the Pitts brainfart and wonder how things would have progressed.

Disagreed. At 20-12 we started to get a roll on, we should’ve had a penalty for a high tackle but the ref gave it to Catalans for Pitts rushing in. When has that ever happened in the past few years? I don’t disagree with the sin binning but the awarding of the penalty was wrong and essentially put the game to bed.

I don't think you do yourselves any favours by blaming the ref for being the difference. Wakey were much improved from the heavy defeat the week before, so i would take that, and work on this performance. If you want to say the ref had a poor game, then fine, i respect your opinion.

I’m not blaming the ref for us losing, Catalans taking advantage of our right edge with some smart play did the damage in the end. But giving Catalans the penalty on our try line killed the game - there’s no two ways about it.