FORUMS > Wakefield Trinity > The Dewsbury experience |
![](images/sitelogos/2022-33.jpg) |
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
Club Coach | 5282 | ![](images/sitelogos/fullsize/33.png) |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Oct 2004 | 20 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
Aug 2024 | Aug 2024 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
10236.jpg :10236.jpg |
|
| Quote: Khlav Kalash "I've not changed my mind at all, I think it will be a slow lingering death outside of Wakefield, even if it's just a few metres past the boundary (it's pretty convenient for me to get to too) but until that time I will continue to watch them.'"
Whats the alternative ? we will nver ever get another ground in Wakefield and we will never get a penny towards the several millions of pounds needed to make BV acceptable. If we stay at Belle Vue our expected life span is much shorter, there will be a massive safety issue or crowd issue just waiting to happen. Every year the place decays rapidly and the council will make sure they offer no help whatsoever.
Much better to accept the inevitable and make the move in a planned way and hope to build on that, I see no future at Belle Vue.
Dewsbury may not be perfect, but its that or definite oblivion at BV.
|
|
|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
International Star | 17948 | ![](images/sitelogos/fullsize/33.png) |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Apr 2011 | 13 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
Aug 2024 | Aug 2024 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
simpsons/simp006.gif :simpsons/simp006.gif |
|
| Quote: Prince Buster "Whats the alternative ? we will nver ever get another ground in Wakefield and we will never get a penny towards the several millions of pounds needed to make BV acceptable. If we stay at Belle Vue our expected life span is much shorter, there will be a massive safety issue or crowd issue just waiting to happen. Every year the place decays rapidly and the council will make sure they offer no help whatsoever.
Much better to accept the inevitable and make the move in a planned way and hope to build on that, I see no future at Belle Vue.
Dewsbury may not be perfect, but its that or definite oblivion at BV.'"
It's a sad state of affairs but, unless there is something happening behind the scenes that we dont yet know about, this looks bang on the money.
The one thing to add though, is that it was a crowd of "1500" yesterday and that, the place would be busting at the seams with 4/5000 in there which may become a bigger problem.
|
|
|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
Player Coach | 6292 | ![](images/sitelogos/fullsize/33.png) |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Jan 2007 | 18 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
Jul 2024 | Feb 2024 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
31007_1580947500.jpg EVENTUALLY, WE'LL WIN SOMETHING, ,MAYBE, IF I'M STILL ALIVE THEN:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_31007.jpg |
|
| For me, it's still a no-no, although I accept that it may become Hobsons Choice. It's a sorry state of affairs when the actions (or inactions) of those in charge results in us thinking that a stadium that isn't big enough to accommodate a Super League club and a long way from the centre of Wakefield is acceptable as a new home. It may be close to the edge of the Wakefield metropolitan boundary but it is nowhere near the city of Wakefield.
I get the rebranding of just Trinity mentioned by Vasty, but that would mean giving up on rugby league in Wakefield. Most people support Trinity because it represents their city. What will happen when it doesn't, and is merely the nearest rugby team? Support will dwindle. For people who don't live on the western side of the city, it would not even be the nearest rugby team, and where is the requirement not to watch Cas, for example, when your own city doesn't even have a team?
A move to Dewsbury would be an indictment on those in charge of the Newmarket project, with no positives. I accept, however, that it may become a matter of having no choice, and Peter Box will have achieved his dream of there being just one top flight team representing the Metropolitan District of Wakefield.
|
|
|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
Player Coach | 1080 | No Team Selected |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Feb 2006 | 19 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
Aug 2024 | Jun 2024 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
: |
|
| A lot of enthusiasm for Owl Lane but do we know that Dewsbury actually want us there?
That aside - I think it would be a great move, permanent if necessary. We could still be Wakefield Trinity but I actually think it would be better to remove the geographical tag and just be Trinity. That could give us a massive catchment area - the city of Wakefiekd, East Kirklees and parts of S Yorkshire down to Barnsley.
Slugger - we'd have to work hard to market Trinity in the areas I've mentioned as the "go to" Super League team. I live in North Warwickshire, about 25 miles from Leicester but there's loads of Leicester Tigers supporters around and about because Tigers have become the club to represent this area not just the city of Leicester.
I'd rather we stayed at BV but if it's not feasible a move to Dewsbury could be a massive opportunity for us.
|
|
|
|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
Player Coach | 13667 | ![](images/sitelogos/fullsize/33.png) |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Oct 2006 | 18 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
Aug 2024 | Aug 2024 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
29100_1291104497.jpg 1/10:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_29100.jpg |
|
| Quote: Slugger McBatt "For me, it's still a no-no, although I accept that it may become Hobsons Choice. It's a sorry state of affairs when the actions (or inactions) of those in charge results in us thinking that a stadium that isn't big enough to accommodate a Super League club and a long way from the centre of Wakefield is acceptable as a new home. It may be close to the edge of the Wakefield metropolitan boundary but it is nowhere near the city of Wakefield.
I get the rebranding of just Trinity mentioned by Vasty, but that would mean giving up on rugby league in Wakefield. Most people support Trinity because it represents their city. What will happen when it doesn't, and is merely the nearest rugby team? Support will dwindle. For people who don't live on the western side of the city, it would not even be the nearest rugby team, and where is the requirement not to watch Cas, for example, when your own city doesn't even have a team?
A move to Dewsbury would be an indictment on those in charge of the Newmarket project, with no positives. I accept, however, that it may become a matter of having no choice, and Peter Box will have achieved his dream of there being just one top flight team representing the Metropolitan District of Wakefield.'"
Very much my thoughts Slugger. Box will be rubbing his hands with glee when Trinity depart the city. All focus can then legitimately be focused on the districts only top flight club.
|
|
|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
Player Coach | 6292 | ![](images/sitelogos/fullsize/33.png) |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Jan 2007 | 18 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
Jul 2024 | Feb 2024 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
31007_1580947500.jpg EVENTUALLY, WE'LL WIN SOMETHING, ,MAYBE, IF I'M STILL ALIVE THEN:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_31007.jpg |
|
| Quote: Kevs Head "A lot of enthusiasm for Owl Lane but do we know that Dewsbury actually want us there?
That aside - I think it would be a great move, permanent if necessary. We could still be Wakefield Trinity but I actually think it would be better to remove the geographical tag and just be Trinity. That could give us a massive catchment area - the city of Wakefiekd, East Kirklees and parts of S Yorkshire down to Barnsley.
Slugger - we'd have to work hard to market Trinity in the areas I've mentioned as the "go to" Super League team. I live in North Warwickshire, about 25 miles from Leicester but there's loads of Leicester Tigers supporters around and about because Tigers have become the club to represent this area not just the city of Leicester.
I'd rather we stayed at BV but if it's not feasible a move to Dewsbury could be a massive opportunity for us.'"
I take your point about Leicester but I think you've actually got it the wrong way round. You'll tell me if I'm wrong, but the appeal for the Leicester Tigers is, I presume, that they are the biggest club in the area, and nothing more. If Trinity leave Wakefield and drop the city name from the title, the choice for Wakefield residents becomes which of the nearest big clubs do they opt for (and only one of which will be in the Wakefield district). Now, Wakefield residents opt for the team that represents the city. In Dewsbury, the choice is not so automatic.
We already have all parts of South Yorkshire to market to. I'm not sure we should be focussing on small towns in Kirklees, some of which already have rugby teams. The focus should be on Wakefield, "Your City, Your Team", etc. Unfortunately, those at the top don't see it that way.
|
|
|
|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
International Star | 2645 | No Team Selected |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Jan 2012 | 13 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
Aug 2024 | Aug 2024 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
: |
|
| I agree it would be brilliant to have a council that backed sport and the tag Wakefield but can anyone expect that to happen any time soon.
Just how long will Box be in charge how old is he now.
His preference may well be Cas but if other members can not see an advantage of a club with the Wakey tag then we are truly scuppered.
For me it's about the History of the club and representing Wakefield but unfortunately that does not appear to be the view of people who can make a difference, so without the backing it's time to move on.
Fighting wakey council will be a long drawn out costly affair and I don't see a favourable outcome.
|
|
|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
Club Captain | 543 | ![](images/sitelogos/fullsize/33.png) |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Jan 2016 | 9 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
Sep 2020 | Sep 2020 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
: |
|
| I would have no problem moving there permanently, rather then let the sorry saga drag on and on.Surely in partnership with Dewsbury the undeveloped area could be sorted and stands at each end could be realised with a combination of Vasty's idea and the moving of our two ' new' stands.Seem to remember MC saying increasing capacity to 7000/8000 was doable.
|
|
|
|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
International Star | 354 | No Team Selected |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Jul 2011 | 13 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
Feb 2018 | Sep 2017 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
: |
|
| As someone who was around to see and feel the buz in the 60s it really is sad to see the state of the club. When you look at such as Hull the city of culture who have a premiership football team and 2 Superleague rugby teams all attracting good support and super stadiums it really is sad that Wakefield are in the position they are in.
|
|
|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
Moderator | 20610 | ![](images/sitelogos/fullsize/33.png) |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Oct 2008 | 16 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
Aug 2024 | Aug 2024 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
41119.jpg A dog is not considered a good dog because he is a good barker. A man is not considered a good man because he is a good talker - Buddha:41119.jpg |
Moderator
|
| Quote: BRIGGY "As someone who was around to see and feel the buz in the 60s it really is sad to see the state of the club. When you look at such as Hull the city of culture who have a premiership football team and 2 Superleague rugby teams all attracting good support and super stadiums it really is sad that Wakefield are in the position they are in.'"
That's the key though. They all attract support. Unless people want to come and watch Wakefield Trinity play rugby, we'll be skimping around for a stadium and a team.
It's a business that needs income.
|
|
|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
Club Captain | 543 | ![](images/sitelogos/fullsize/33.png) |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Jan 2016 | 9 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
Sep 2020 | Sep 2020 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
: |
|
| If the Cas stadium is realised and we are are still struggling on at shabby, miserable Belle Vue the exodus of 'fans' to Cas will happen anyway. Yes my dream is still a fully developed Belle Vue, but at some time we have to ' bight the bullet'. If the new landlords do not come up with a definate scheme we will have no alternative.As for accessibility and nearness to the city centre Dewsbury's ground is on a par with Newmarket.
|
|
|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
Club Coach | 36042 | ![](images/sitelogos/fullsize/33.png) |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Oct 2004 | 20 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
Aug 2024 | Aug 2024 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
10363_1334937642.jpg SUPPORT SWAG...:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_10363.jpg |
|
| As a matter of interest who actually own the Stadium - is it the club or the Council?
|
|
|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
Moderator | 20610 | ![](images/sitelogos/fullsize/33.png) |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Oct 2008 | 16 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
Aug 2024 | Aug 2024 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
41119.jpg A dog is not considered a good dog because he is a good barker. A man is not considered a good man because he is a good talker - Buddha:41119.jpg |
Moderator
|
| If you map it on Google the Newmarket site and the Dewsbury ground are equidistant from the city centre.
|
|
|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
Player Coach | 3192 | No Team Selected |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Feb 2006 | 19 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
Feb 2022 | Sep 2019 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
22151_1298059614.jpg LOOKING FOR ACCOMMODATION IN ORLANDO, FLORIDA
//www.orlandovilla.org.uk:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_22151.jpg |
|
| Quote: vastman "As a matter of interest who actually own the Stadium - is it the club or the Council?'"
Which stadium are you referring to ?
I think Dewsbury's is owned by the Club.
|
|
|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
Player Coach | 7403 | ![](images/sitelogos/fullsize/33.png) |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
May 2005 | 19 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
Aug 2024 | Aug 2024 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
14916_1445291540.jpeg Twitter...@GINGERWILDCAT:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_14916.jpeg |
|
| My only doubt about Dewsbury would be public transport from Normy way, wonder if the club would attempt to get sponsors and put on free buses from the city centre for a couple of seasons?
Obviously not just for us from Normy. ![Smile icon_smile.gif](images/smilies//icon_smile.gif)
|
|
|
![](images/sitelogos/2022-33.jpg) |
|
![](images/sitelogos/2022-33.jpg) |