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| Quote: Chrism1 "I feel sorry that the guy having to suppress his sexuality. However, at what level do you think it is right to lie to someone for many years, marry them and have kids; knowing full well you are gay. And to add insult to injury brag about the fact in the national media while they are left heartbroken? Eh is it just me? Maybe I need to look at myself!!
And for what it's worth this is not an attack on gay people....'"
Bragging? What a strange thing to describe it as.
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| Quote: Chrism1 "I feel sorry that the guy having to suppress his sexuality. However, at what level do you think it is right to lie to someone for many years, marry them and have kids; knowing full well you are gay. And to add insult to injury brag about the fact in the national media while they are left heartbroken? Eh is it just me? Maybe I need to look at myself!!
And for what it's worth this is not an attack on gay people....'"
Well his ex appears to have got over it, maybe you should too? It's called life, many people have affair, many people cheat (although I don't think Hirst did cheat). Life isn't black and white and the only people Hirst will have truly hurt now act as a rock for him. It's really not for us to be morally outraged for them.
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| Quote: trinfan71 "Do you know what the scariest thing is? You were the fastest sperm.'"
No the scariest thing is that yours made it at all - learn to respect the views of others fool
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| Quote: Chrism1 "
Are you sure? Can't help but feel if he wasn't you wouldn't be making a fuss.
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| People can have what ever views they want, it's their right, but I certainly don't have to respect everyone of them.
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| Quote: Willzay "Are you sure? Can't help but feel if he wasn't you wouldn't be making a fuss.'"
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| Quote: vastman "No the scariest thing is that yours made it at all - learn to respect the views of others fool'"
Pot and Kettle
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| Quote: trinfan71 "Pot and Kettle'"
Not really.
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| Quote: Willzay "Are you sure? Can't help but feel if he wasn't you wouldn't be making a fuss.'"
See it's post like this that really annoy me. When you can't win the argument acuse someone of an ism or a phobic because it's easy.
How the hell was it an attack on gay people - what it is more than anything is a personal attack on Hirst morals. Personally I don't think that's a RL related issue but then it's also very fair to say that Hirst has gone out of his way to make it so - anyone going to deny that?
RL has always had gay players Hirst is not the first - he just happens to be the first to make it an issue of sorts. He's chosen that nobody made him or frankly cared so I think it's fair that he gets a certain amount of scrutiny both good and bad else why did he even bother. Again I challenge anyone to argue that he actually needed to publicaly out himself in a national newspaper it's not like it He needed to do it for his career.
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| Quote: vastman "See it's post like this that really annoy me. When you can't win the argument acuse someone of an ism or a phobic because it's easy.
How the hell was it an attack on gay people - what it is more than anything is a personal attack on Hirst morals. Personally I don't think that's a RL related issue but then it's also very fair to say that Hirst has gone out of his way to make it so - anyone going to deny that?
RL has always had gay players Hirst is not the first - he just happens to be the first to make it an issue of sorts. He's chosen that nobody made him or frankly cared so I think it's fair that he gets a certain amount of scrutiny both good and bad else why did he even bother. Again I challenge anyone to argue that he actually needed to publicaly out himself in a national newspaper it's not like it He needed to do it for his career.'"
Tbf Gareth Thomas when he came out & came over to pay RL was a far bigger news story. The guy was on every talk show, newspaper etc.
Saying all this here we again talking about what the guy does in his private life.
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| Quote: vastman "See it's post like this that really annoy me. When you can't win the argument acuse someone of an ism or a phobic because it's easy.
How the hell was it an attack on gay people - what it is more than anything is a personal attack on Hirst morals. Personally I don't think that's a RL related issue but then it's also very fair to say that Hirst has gone out of his way to make it so - anyone going to deny that?
RL has always had gay players Hirst is not the first - he just happens to be the first to make it an issue of sorts. He's chosen that nobody made him or frankly cared so I think it's fair that he gets a certain amount of scrutiny both good and bad else why did he even bother. Again I challenge anyone to argue that he actually needed to publicaly out himself in a national newspaper it's not like it He needed to do it for his career.'"
Which is my point - I am certain if Hirst wasn't gay there'd be no mention of his "morals". Personally I think this was worse than what Tigerade said. With regards to outing himself in the newspaper I'm sure he did more in the mindset that you shouldn't stop yourself playing RL or sport in general regardless of your sexuality.
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| Quote: Chrism1 "Apologies, but I've got to disagree with most of you. I think the guy is a disgrace. Whilst most seem to want to put him in the lime light for been so brave and courageous for coming out (which I would support under different circumstances); the guy married some poor lass, had two kids with her and then decided he was gay. It is morally wrong on every level.....'"
I'm fairly sure he didn't 'decide' he was gay. The person he was lying to most was himself. It's a shame that just being gay is even news in the 21st century, but it shows how far attitudes still have to change. How many professional sports people still have to lie about who they are in order to continue in their chosen career?
Fair enough if you have strong views on the sanctity of marriage, particularly where kids are involved, and I would agree with you that it seems some couples give up too easily, even if there is much less stigma for the kids than there used to be. However, this is not really about lying; it's about being honest.
I am somewhat unconvinced that your views are not skewed by the particular circumstances. I was sure you'd have lots to say about the recent incidents at Cas and Huddersfield involving players which caused family problems, but apparently not.
Joined 19 Apr 2013 - 12 posts:
2 about a possible stadium share with cas
2 about the recent car accident involving Wakefield players
1 nominating Miller as PoY
and 7 on this thread...
I smell troll.
We do miss Tigerade.
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| Quote: Wholly Trinity "I'm fairly sure he didn't 'decide' he was gay. The person he was lying to most was himself. It's a shame that just being gay is even news in the 21st century, but it shows how far attitudes still have to change. How many professional sports people still have to lie about who they are in order to continue in their chosen career?
Fair enough if you have strong views on the sanctity of marriage, particularly where kids are involved, and I would agree with you that it seems some couples give up too easily, even if there is much less stigma for the kids than there used to be. However, this is not really about lying; it's about being honest.'"
Post irregular I do, troll I am not, hide behind a username I don't. However, lying to someone, or as you put it deciding to be honest, could be one in the same so we agree there.... And just to be clear, in the post you quote, the use of the word 'decided' was used with facetious intent. You see this is my whole point, it's wrong to marry someone of any sex when your only attracted to the opposite, lie to them and then have kids. If that's a 1950's view, then yes I am stuck there.
You speak about me in a manner that leads me to believe I have seriously offended you, or acted like a biggot. Why? because I believe in been honest and not hurting others...
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| You believe in being honest and not hurting others. What if being honest also hurts someone else? You asked for examples of life not being black and white - there you go.
You should be applauding Hirst not not making judgements about his morals.
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| Furthermore, Hirst going to the press, telling his story and revealling what he's put his family through may convince other player's (and people in general) to actually come out and not live a lie in fear of abuse and non acceptance. That way then don't cause the hurt he did.
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