And what legal principle would that action be founded upon? I am not party to the secret discussions which we are told are going on - I have just looked at the documents on the council planning portal. It appears from the 106 agreement the stadium contract would be triggered by the building and letting of a certain amount of warehousing and other uses (60,000sq mtr if I recall correctly). The units which would have (and still will) contribute to the stadium contract commencement were all prescribed in terms of size, etc. The new cold unit is nowhere near the scale which was envisaged on the original agreement - hence a completely new planning application had to be submitted, which the council had no legal choice but to approve. However, since this new planning application did not fall under the 106 agreement, the cold store does not contribute to the stadium contract commencement. If they had built a unit only 18m tall then it would have contributed and no-one would be having this argument, we would be well on the way. As far as I can see, anything else which is built on the site (which conforms even vaguely to what was originally agreed by the council and the developer) will contribute towards the stadium contract commencement. It does not appear to me, on these facts, that the developer or the council (who's hands were tied regarding the new planning application) has acted deceitfully. I might be way off with all the above - could TRB let me know if I am anywhere close to understanding the current situation. I see no reason to be despondent - if YC want to build out the site as originally envisaged, the stadium build will be a natural consequence of that.

We sit somewhere between what you have said and what the Avenger has said. I doubt very much that YC would give us anything if we didn't try and keep them focussed on what we want from our side of the bargain. However, whilst bringing the weight of Thor down YC might seem the obvious thing to do, what would happen at the end of a very expensive legal process ( for which we have not money) would be that we would have pee'd off everyone we need to deliver what we want. If it comes to it, so be it, but whilst there is a chance we can avoid that route, we will.

The technician point regarding the application for NC being outside of the 106 is very much up for interpretation!

Thanks for the reply TRB. I did wonder about the fact that just making it taller was sufficient to take it out of the 106 agreement. It seems YC have played a blinder in that case. I think the stance you are taking is the best one in the circumstances - best of luck to you. I still think this could well happen, it may just take a bit longer.

I'm sure it's just an oversight on your part but you've forgotten to add NGB4C to your list, He'd probably be useless but he'd show a lot more passion than that lot.

2 years ago today, outline planning permission was granted for the stadium , yet we are no nearer getting a new ground than we were then...

Believe NOTHING until bricks are being laid. Then you can't get upset about anything. Too many false dawns and smoke and mirrors to get excited about a stadium.

That may or not be true. But, as I have repeated countless times, there is lots of activity and things may start happening soon!

Keep the faith - even if it is difficult!

Its a good defence mechanism.

That's been my motto since the proposed shifting of the ground 50 metres towards the south (or was it north?) back in the 70's

Page 29 ...enough is surely enough. I haven't read anything on this post since about page 6. Look, Newmarket is NEVER going to happen. Stop talking, stop wishing and pushing lying politicians to do things. Time for us to move on and find another answer to our old stadium problem

You never know what might happen with the stadium, that's the joy of being a Trinity fan. Keep the faith.

Spot on, its not going to happen. Shutt the book on it and lets move on, where to who knows

Oh whatever!

can you blame people for feeling that way Phil

Yes absolutely you can!

There are people in this world who get off their s and do their best to make things happen...

And there are those, about 90% of those who post on these forums who are natures spectators... Cheer and backslapping when things go well, whinging and finger pointing when they do not.

Close the book if you wish!!! But put yourself to write the first chapter of the next book. Or STFU!

Wish I had a pound for every time TRB has posted "things are happening behind the scenes but I can't talk about it"... or words to that effect.

and there are those who are intelligent enough and entitled to comment who's lives are so full that they simply don't have the time to get more involved. There are those who've done their bit for Trinity in other ways and have gone way beyond the call of duty as a supporter both in actions and financially, surely they're entitled to comment.

Yes they/ you sit in the 10% of course you can comment!

And stop calling me Shirley!

The chances of Trinity winning Superleague in the next 10 years are pretty remote but the chances of them playing in a new stadium in the next 10 years are about as likely as me being crowned King when Liz dies. The club has no money, the council has no money and in the current financial climate there is no one who can afford to give us any money and if Newmarket turned out anything like the AJ Bell stadium half full soulless the and gridlocked I would rather stay in the old girl. So the only pressing problem I see is we don't own Belle vue. That needs sorting soon.

And the 90% speaks!!

Some of this is just disrespectful to the people who have worked hard with no guarantees of anything for the club and certainly nothing for themselves. Why some people feel the need to rub there noses in it for no reason (not even adding to the topic) just for the sake of it. Nobody told Snowie all his hard work, time and effort was pointless did they? Anybody who has ever or continues to put effort and time into this club deserves respect, especially from the ones who do nothing. Even though it is unlikely the club will treat you any better for it.

OK then, lets do something about it.

Is the Supporters Trust allowed to own land? If so, we will need to have 2000 people investing £1000 into the ST to raise £2million to purchase the ground and its environs. Of course that could include 100 people investing in 10 units of £1000 each for the first million.

This isn't a charitable donation but a business investment. The club pays a hefty rent to the bank at the moment and could pay a sensible rental to the Supporters Trust which would generate an income to start to repay these investments on demand after, say, 5 years until over time the ground is owned by the Supporters Trust by redeeming each unit for 1/2000th of the asset's value at that time.

If we ever want to be a big club, we need to think much bigger than how little can we pay for our season tickets. Many people cannot afford £1000 but equally, many could afford to invest in many units of £1000.

If Newmarket ever does come to fruition, in whatever guise, we would have started to take some meaningful steps towards making a contribution to the process and also given the Supporters Trust a massive boost by creating a hugely important role for it.

No. Can you blame me for the way I feel?

That's a great idea, but the numbers of fans willing to part with that kind of cash just aren't there. If things proceed as they are currently, there should be no need for this. Park it for now, but we may come back to it later! There are also complications regarding shares, ownership and prospectus - we've tried similar before - so its a bit more complicated than it sounds.

I am willing to meet and discuss the situation with anyone who wishes to explain what I can, but I will not compromise our position for the sake of being looked upon in a better style by those who no longer believe me.

It does seem as though I am being criticised for not saying enough, but I think I say more than most and do try to keep moral up. It is hard, for you, for me, but we cannot afford to let this slip by without giving it everything we've got.

Thank you to those with positive comments, for the rest, I understand, but can do nothing except ask for yet more patience!