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| Quote ="Eastern Wildcat"Not totally true PT.
In 2018, our last season we finished in the play offs, we averaged 5244, and in 2022, we averaged 4613, a decrease of 631.
With that decrease, if those were adult season ticket holders, you would be looking at around £150k of lost revenue, in comparison to 2018.'"
I think that proves my point.
The attendance went up of course but ticket price impacts that too....and I'd suggest the investment to get the team of 22 to the playoffs is a lot more than £150k.....so not a good investment.
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| Quote ="Eastern Wildcat"Maybe they are associates of each other.
First and foremost, they are part of MKM Building, a building supplies company, who have a kitchen department. Maybe that side is oursourced to DIY Kitchens.
Regardless, they are a huge company, with over £800m turnover on the last set of accounts, and this can only be good thing for us.
If that is the case, well done in getting this one over the line.'"
Trinity page has just shared the MKM post so it is to do with us I assume.
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| Quote ="alegend"You are right they ruined the club They will leave us with a state of the art pitch ,big screen, revamped North Stand ,New East stand, New floodlights .And when they took over,wiped over a 2million pound det off owed to creditors , and stoped the club from folding Think we're we would be if they had done ok'" oh right if that's the way you look at it. I prefer to look at it as complete lack of investment for at least 5 years, a development falling short of what it was suppose to be, no hospitality and a bodged up north stand, not paid for by this lot by the way, the weakest squad put together in our super league history which puts us on the brink of relegation. Around 5 to 6 million quid of debt which needs to be serviced. A grovelling plea to fans for money for shares, which we raised 350 grand from fans but 300 of it from carter's dad, was this to prop the club up. 200 grand from Ellis, to try and get us out of the mire. Oh your going to say we've got assets but we can't sell the assets if we can't pay the bills. The assets are pretty worthless realy. Can't wait to clap them out they've done their best but failed. You can still organise an open top bus parade if you like
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| Quote ="PopTart"Trinity page has just shared the MKM post so it is to do with us I assume.'"
Could it be linked to work on the West Terrace or finishing off the North Stand?
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| pops.
The club is in a disaster position bottom
loss 604k 2022 probubly same in 2023
debt that carnt be serviced and the worse season in our history in super leagur
your as dulusional as our current board
mr and mrs safe pair of hands bah humbug
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| Quote ="suportrclub"pops.
The club is in a disaster position bottom
loss 604k 2022 probubly same in 2023
debt that carnt be serviced and the worse season in our history in super leagur
your as dulusional as our current board
mr and mrs safe pair of hands bah humbug'"
Only Salford had a smaller loss than us.
Losses mean no tax bill and are not terrible if you have the cash to cover it. Depends why you have losses.
Debt that is far outstretched by the asset, and the asset generates money to service the debt
In previous years we had losses with no money to cover it so had to sell players
Previously we had loans with no assets
Previously we were on the brink of admin for long periods.
And previously we would not have even got a C grade with IMG.
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| I reckon if we balanced the "good things (pitch, stand etc)" that this BoD has done for us against the "Bad things (relegation)", I think the scales would tip in favour of the former. We can all look forward to possible future promotion, but I doubt whether we would have been able to afford the new infrastructure that we've acquired
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| One poxy stand isn’t going to make up for the absolute dross for the past two or three years.
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| Hopefully the takeover gets announced very soon.
Up the Trin
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| Quote ="PopTart"Only Salford had a smaller loss than us.
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TBH, Salford only posted a smaller loss because they don't pay £600,000 of their rent - they default and the council has to pay it for them.
If they paid their rent, there would be a further £600K in losses - well actually they would be bankrupt, but there you go!
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| Quote ="dboy"TBH, Salford only posted a smaller loss because they don't pay £600,000 of their rent - they default and the council has to pay it for them.
If they paid their rent, there would be a further £600K in losses - well actually they would be bankrupt, but there you go!'"
Did someone on here say that they don't run all the teams that most other SL sides do?
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| Quote ="phe13"Did someone on here say that they don't run all the teams that most other SL sides do?'"
Think its Leigh mate that don't run all the other teams.
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| Barring a divine intervention our club enters the championship next season , what is needed now from the club for the disillusioned fans is a statement of intent from club and new owner as to what their visions are for the club going forwards .I’m not talking of contracts and the likes but surely we have plans in place for every eventuality as tough as it is . For the longer a statement is forthcoming it just adds fuel to the fire of the conspiracy theorists that abound at our club
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| Quote ="Kettykat"Barring a divine intervention our club enters the championship next season , what is needed now from the club for the disillusioned fans is a statement of intent from club and new owner as to what their visions are for the club going forwards .I’m not talking of contracts and the likes but surely we have plans in place for every eventuality as tough as it is . For the longer a statement is forthcoming it just adds fuel to the fire of the conspiracy theorists that abound at our club'"
They can't really do that yet. We are not mathematically down.
Plenty of time for statements of intent.
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| Quote ="PopTart"They can't really do that yet. We are not mathematically down.
Plenty of time for statements of intent.'"
I know that but there isn’t plenty of time as of next week if we lose to Leigh we are down, and statements should have been written for either eventualities and be in place to let the long suffering fans know exactly what is going to happen going forwards ,and In fact who will be leading the charge at the club . For far too long the fans have been kept in the dark and have been treated like second class citizens , do they not realise without us there is no club . A little bit of honesty will go a long way in my mind to gel the club and fans going forwards from this point
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| How many years have we been told by the current incumbents that they do not have the resources to move the club forward. We have faced problems due to failures of management resulting in the ground capacity being reduced because we did not have the correctly trained staff in place. How many times has the issue of marketing been raised or the lack of it.
I would guess without the additional revenue we get from being in the SL the club would continue to decline under their management. They obviously lack the skills to bring in extra money in previous seasons so why would you believe they could with the new stand.
It is quite clearly time for them to go and a more professionally organised owner and team take over. I have said many times accountants do not have the skill set to run companies but they do know how to limit expenditure. They play an important part in any companies profitability but not development.
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| Quote ="Scarlet Pimpernell"How many years have we been told by the current incumbents that they do not have the resources to move the club forward. We have faced problems due to failures of management resulting in the ground capacity being reduced because we did not have the correctly trained staff in place. How many times has the issue of marketing been raised or the lack of it.
I would guess without the additional revenue we get from being in the SL the club would continue to decline under their management. They obviously lack the skills to bring in extra money in previous seasons so why would you believe they could with the new stand.
It is quite clearly time for them to go and a more professionally organised owner and team take over. I have said many times accountants do not have the skill set to run companies but they do know how to limit expenditure. They play an important part in any companies profitability but not development.'"
When you say compared to previous seasons, do you mean the directors who took us to admin or the ones who failed to improve the North Stand terrace leaving it unsafe for these directors to fix.
They are not perfect but let's not start glorifying the previous regimes who took us to the brink on numerous occasions.
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| Quote ="PopTart"When you say compared to previous seasons, do you mean the directors who took us to admin or the ones who failed to improve the North Stand terrace leaving it unsafe for these directors to fix.
They are not perfect but let's not start glorifying the previous regimes who took us to the brink on numerous occasions.'"
No I mean during the currency incumbents, how many times have we heard from them that they do not have the resources to move the club forward. I was merely pointing out that the club would not survive a season in the Championship under their guidance due to the reduction in finances and their obvious shortcomings.
The reduced capacity from last season was all of their making. I was not glorifying the previous regimes and definitely not the current ones I leave that to others like you for example.
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| Quote ="PopTart"When you say compared to previous seasons, do you mean the directors who took us to admin or the ones who failed to improve the North Stand terrace leaving it unsafe for these directors to fix.
They are not perfect but let's not start glorifying the previous regimes who took us to the brink on numerous occasions.'" I'm baffled that you are still defending this lot, how can anyone defend the people who have run us into the championship, I'm astounded
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| Quote ="MOPSEY LIVES ON"I'm baffled that you are still defending this lot, how can anyone defend the people who have run us into the championship, I'm astounded'"
Funny, I've not noticed anyone offering to put their hand in their pocket and invest heavily in the club.
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| Quote ="PopTart"When you say compared to previous seasons, do you mean the directors who took us to admin or the ones who failed to improve the North Stand terrace leaving it unsafe for these directors to fix.
They are not perfect but let's not start glorifying the previous regimes who took us to the brink on numerous occasions.'"
When you say, “the ones who took us to admin” do you also refer to the ones who took us over when we were on the brink of non existence (Ted & Brian). They’re also the same ones who ran us efficiently for something like 15 years, helping to get us out of the Championship, become League Leaders, win a Grand Final and get us into Superleague. Yes it ended badly but they at least tried to and did improve us.
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| Quote ="MOPSEY LIVES ON"I'm baffled that you are still defending this lot, how can anyone defend the people who have run us into the championship, I'm astounded'"
I can only explain it to you. I can't understand it for you.
Let me explain it this way.
If you had a beloved car that was running a bit slow and you took it to a garage and you paid them to fix it, and it wasn't any better....and was even scratched a bit....you'd have a right to complain.
This scenario is your beloved car breaks down in the middle of a really rough neighbourhood where everyone wants what you’ve got in the car.
Some have tried go fix in the past but just got it going for a little bit.
Two guys come past in a car and stop to help.
They replace some of the broken bits, but not all of them. They get your car running and no one gets chance to take your valuables.
It isn't as fast as it was in the 60s but it's going, and the new parts will keep it going for quite a while.
You also have two mates in the back that constantly moan about the air con and long journey, but don't offer any help to make it better.
You come to a T junction.
Toll road right takes you home quicker but you don't have the money
Left is bumpy and takes longer but the changes they made to your car means you can handle it.
I'd thank the two guys. Even though they could have risked a loan to go on the toll road, or sold some of your valuables they got you going and out of trouble and they made your car ready for the long journey......despite the guys in the back giving them abuse every step of the way.
I'll see if I can draw some pictures too
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| Quote ="The Avenger"When you say, “the ones who took us to admin” do you also refer to the ones who took us over when we were on the brink of non existence (Ted & Brian). They’re also the same ones who ran us efficiently for something like 15 years, helping to get us out of the Championship, become League Leaders, win a Grand Final and get us into Superleague. Yes it ended badly but they at least tried to and did improve us.'"
I agree. Same as the current lot.
Do you judge Ted on what he did well or what he did badly?
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| Quote ="PopTart"I can only explain it to you. I can't understand it for you.
Let me explain it this way.
If you had a beloved car that was running a bit slow and you took it to a garage and you paid them to fix it, and it wasn't any better....and was even scratched a bit....you'd have a right to complain.
This scenario is your beloved car breaks down in the middle of a really rough neighbourhood where everyone wants what house got in the car.
Some have tried go fix in the past but just got it going for a little bit.
Two guys come past in a car and stop to help.
They replace some of the broken bits, but not all of them. They get your car running and no one gets chance to take your valuables.
It isn't as fast as it was in the 60s but it's going, and the new parts will keep it going for quite a while.
You also have two mates in the back that constantly moan about the air con and long journey, but don't offer any help to make it better.
You come to a T junction.
Toll road right takes you home quicker but you don't have the money
Left is bumpy and takes longer but the changes they made to your car means you can handle it.
I'd thank the two guys. Even though they could have risked a loan to go on the toll road, or sold some of your valuables they got you going and out of trouble and they made your car ready for the long journey......despite the guys in the back giving them abuse every step of the way.
I'll see if I can draw some pictures too'"
In our case the two guys in question have fitted some dodgy seat covers and given us a stick-n-hoop to get home on
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| Quote ="The Avenger"In our case the two guys in question have fitted some dodgy seat covers and given us a stick-n-hoop to get home on'"
The seat covers may be dodgy but the engine is as good as you can get
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