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| Quote: BarnsleyGull "Should be quicker BLM than being plated.
All the best to Jordan for a speedy recovery!
I've seen the op done lots of times - usually following on from a Barnsley Saturday Gentleman's night out......
Some of the Barnsley lasses can pack a punch as well
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| Quote: BarnsleyGull "Should be quicker BLM than being plated.
All the best to Jordan for a speedy recovery!
I've seen the op done lots of times - usually following on from a Barnsley Saturday Gentleman's night out......
That last para is reassuring!
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| For me, the one with the need to prove himself,is Danny Brough.
It could well have been the injuries to him and the other players that made him and Miller look average at times last year.
A bit harsh on saying Rocky needs to prove himself. Not easy when your getting shunted into different positions to cover injuries. In the latter part of the 2018 season, he and Miller were starting to look the real deal in the halves.
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| Quote: BOJ042 "AS every year make or break season for the CLUB not to finish 12th.OH and the stadium
I would seriously be not playing any of our main players in anymore of the pointless trails - we can already not afford anymore injuries ,3 of top squad players already out with long term injuries before round 1'"
Ever heard of positive thinking and how it affects those around you? If you think the worst it will find you that's a promise.
So let's make it clear once and for all BOJ most of us support Trinity in the belief that we will succeed, THAT'S THE POINT! So when I said 'make or break' it was a positive statement, not a negative as you've just made it.
I want and hope to see players make their true potential and by doing so make the club a success - thus I'm not really interested in avoiding twelfth, if that happens then it happens. What I and what any real supporter should desire and be interested in is whether we finish top 5 and or win a cup, you getting it now?
As for your last comment regarding injuries and trial games do you realise how daft you sound? One is inevitable and doesn't just affect Trinity (note Leeds also lost a player in the Boxing day game). Two is a vital preparation tool, or should we ignore the fixtures and just play games we can win when the suns shining and the pitches are mildly moist, say 10 games a season, that should avoid the bottom slot
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| For what it's worth my opinion on Rocky is:
In terms of creativity he is very good at creating chances for himself out of nothing, as far as creating chances for others (which is what I'd like to see from a halfback) he still has a way to go. It's not that I believe he can't do it, just that we haven't seen it as often as some of his plaudits seem to believe. I invariably see him running the ball into a corner and leaving the wing/centre with few options.
I suspect that with the illness that BJB is suffering from he may find himself covering wing again to start the season, which I would have no problem with.
You know what they say about opinions, they're like a***holes, everyone has one - this is just mine.
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| Quote: Fordy "For what it's worth my opinion on Rocky is
rocky is a runner not a playmaker . we can t have him running the attack - he needs to be just running and taking on the defense not setting up plays ,to be fair the only one we have that could do that is Danny -but is he past it?
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| Quote: BOJ042 "rocky is a runner not a playmaker . we can t have him running the attack - he needs to be just running and taking on the defense not setting up plays ,to be fair the only one we have that could do that is Danny -but is he past it?'"
No, we don't. Josh Wood, Miller and Hampshire can all potentially run a game, however we chose to let Danny do it because for nearly 20 years he's been better at it than almost anybody. If he's 'past it' then the others get their chance in due course, that's how team building works.
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| Quote: Fishermanscap "No, we don't. Josh Wood, Miller and Hampshire can all potentially run a game, however we chose to let Danny do it because for nearly 20 years he's been better at it than almost anybody. If he's 'past it' then the others get their chance in due course, that's how team building works.'"
How crazy does that sound now, almost 20 years!
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| Quote: Fishermanscap "No, we don't. Josh Wood, Miller and Hampshire can all potentially run a game, however we chose to let Danny do it because for nearly 20 years he's been better at it than almost anybody. If he's 'past it' then the others get their chance in due course, that's how team building works.'"
'Can all potentially' doesn't mean, ready to go in Super League unfortunately.
If Brough doesn't play our organisation is going to be reduced significantly. Miller and Hampshire are good players but this skill is not their best.
If we lost Brough for a significant time I think we'd need to bring a loan signing in if we wanted to maintain our top 5 wish.
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| Quote: PopTart "'Can all potentially' doesn't mean, ready to go in Super League unfortunately.
If Brough doesn't play our organisation is going to be reduced significantly. Miller and Hampshire are good players but this skill is not their best.
If we lost Brough for a significant time I think we'd need to bring a loan signing in if we wanted to maintain our top 5 wish.'"
Quite right, Broughy's legs might not be as quick as they used to be, but his brain still is.
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| Quote: Eastern Wildcat "For me, the one with the need to prove himself,is Danny Brough.'"
I'm not sure what Broughy has to prove to anyone in RL, let alone you; he's been one of the best HB's of his generation, and has played at the top level of the domestic game for almost 20 years. He isn't as quick as he once was - but who is?
For me, CC and the club have a job of work now, to transition him out of the role he currently plays, into one that better suits the fact that whilst the mind and spirit are willing, the flesh is weak(er); and that means deciding who will pick up the role of playmaker, and gradually easing them in, so that Broughy can be eased out. I'm not sure either Rocky or Miller have that skillset - they're both runners for me - but that's another issue.
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| Quote: bren2k "I'm not sure what Broughy has to prove to anyone in RL, let alone you; he's been one of the best HB's of his generation, and has played at the top level of the domestic game for almost 20 years. He isn't as quick as he once was - but who is?
For me, CC and the club have a job of work now, to transition him out of the role he currently plays, into one that better suits the fact that whilst the mind and spirit are willing, the flesh is weak(er); and that means deciding who will pick up the role of playmaker, and gradually easing them in, so that Broughy can be eased out. I'm not sure either Rocky or Miller have that skillset - they're both runners for me - but that's another issue.'"
I'd be getting Broughy at 2nd receiver more than he was last year. Get someone to take it to the line, find Broughy and let him pick out a marauding forward hitting the edges.
Hes obviously lost a yard of pace, but watching the SL Super Tries thing that was on, we were on it quite a bit and Brough did some great tracking runs.
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| I agree that he has been one of the best halves halves around in the past 10 years or so.
However, I did state in my earlier point Bren, that it could well have been his injury last year, or the injuries to others, but at times he didn't look anything like what hes capable of.
It may well be, that if he and others around him stay fit, them we might just see that class.
I also said that prior to him coming back, that in the latter half of 2018, Rocky and Hampshire looked to be working well together.
It also didn't help, with the thoughts on Broughie of sin binning in the two opening rounds of the season
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| Quote: Fishermanscap "No, we don't. Josh Wood, Miller and Hampshire can all potentially run a game, however we chose to let Danny do it because for nearly 20 years he's been better at it than almost anybody. If he's 'past it' then the others get their chance in due course, that's how team building works.'" danny Brough as been an half decent player over the years, no one can take that away from him and maybe if his temperament had been better a top club would of taken him and he would of had an even better career.
My take on him now is that his legs have gone, the right side was more or less blunt in attack the stats show this, lynn 6T, DB 2T tang 1T and bishop 8 with rocky setting up some of these. It’s not bagging him it’s just age that he can’t do what he could, he receives the ball the opposition know he’s not going to run with it so they just hold and it’s easy to defend. Brough still as a good brain and if you play him we must get him into the areas he can do damage in the 20 where he can be crafty with his kicks. His last season at shudds they seem to keep Brough and Gaskell out of it till the 30 then moved it through the hands at pace not off a prop round the back where he’s getting slower ball. As for organising the game Is so robotic it’s run to that blade of grass to get to that I think the hooker as more organising these days.
Moving on to rocky if your playing Brough and miller at half then rocky has to play at 1 he has too much pace to leave out and was our most potent attacker along with toupo before he got injured. If the team can create him the space hel run them in, inside balls little chips to break it up it might not always work but it creates space out wide then. If he plays half then I’d let the other half organise and let Ryan play wider and use his pace quite simply he can cause damage.
We’ve got some quality backs and I think if they’re used properly and not like battering rams we might get more product, interesting how TJ and BT come back.
I think if the forwards stick their hands up have a big dig and not come off after 20 mins we could go ok add to this a change of style of play to suit us and who knows.
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