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| I think I am out but not 100% sure yet.
I lived and worked abroad for just short of 4 years in an EU country, with a higher salary than what i earn in the UK, for doing the same job.
With that and the almost constant sunshine the Med brings, I aim to do that again one day.
The main reason of moving back to the UK, was so that our children can finish their education.
I just dont know yet, as to whether coming out of the EU would reduce that opportunity of going back
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| Quote The Avenger="The Avenger"We have the 5th largest economy in the world so we'll hardly be getting the begging bowl out looking for trade partners. Neither are we in any way comparable with Norway and Switzerland.
We have absolutely zero influence in the EU, evidenced by the total lack of success that the idiot Cameron had when trying to negotiate a better deal for the UK.
We contribute around £88Million a day to the EU and after that figure is balanced off by the discounts and kickbacks we are still a net contributor of =#FF0000£32Million per Day
That's almost £12Billion a year that we contribute to the EU
[size=150£12 Billion Per Year net contributors[/size
Coincidentally that's the same figure the Conservative zgovernment said they'd cut from Welfare at the last election, a figure they wouldn't be drawn on as to the where, who and how they'd do it!
£12 Billion!
How many schools is that?
How much housing?
How many Hospitals?
I'm no UKIP supporter and I'm not a Farage admirer but he's the only one talking any sense about immigration and he's the only one telling the truth about our inability to control our own borders while a member of the EU.
Everyone else fudges the issue and and throws up a smokescreen of "where would we be without immigration in the 50s & 60s"
Well that was then and we needed the immigration at that time but this is now and we don't need immigration on nearly the same scale.
"The NHS will fail without the influx of specialists, Consultants, Doctors and Nurses who come here to work in our NHS"
Well first of all, stop systematically undermining and underfunding the NHS so that you can Backdoor privatise it. Secondly, pay our own Medical and health staff properly and they might not feel the need to go work elsewhere. Finally, come on, who the hell do you think you're kidding! Walk through the Ridings centre on any afternoon and I'll tell you straight, it's not gangs of Consultant Doctors and Nurses that are sat around bothering young girls and intimidating anyone passing by.
Every form of infrastructure is stretched and broken,
Health
Education
Public Services
Housing
Welfare
We cannot continue to see mass immigration with no way whatsoever of stopping it, not while we're in the EU anyway, NONE!
Hey but I've outed myself haven't I?
I must be a racist or an uneducated bigot because I've broken the taboo and voiced my opinion against immigration.
You may now conveniently ignore anything I've said!'"
I agree with you on the migration issue.
Although "free movement" is a great ideal, in this area, clearly, something has to change, not because your pro or anti Europe but, because it's just not sensible.
You clearly feel strongly about the issue but, what additional cost's do you think we will incur being "on the outside".
Currently we have the ability to trade freely and without constraint across the Euro nations so, how will this change following "exit".
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| Voting to leave will make no difference to immigration, despite what the leave campaign want you to believe. Leaving the EU and the massive economic benefits it brings with it will blow a gaping hole in the economy that can only be filled by signing up to free trade agreements, one of the major ones having to be with the EU. A consequence of this will be having to accept their conditions or it won't happen and if it doesn't this country is screwed. One of these rules is freedom of movement for workers, exactly the same as now. The ONLY way to try temper this is to have a seat at the table and try and change the rules from the inside, as with anything in life you certainly won't be able to change it from the outside looking in.
The UK is the 5th largest economy BECAUSE of being in the EU, not in spite of it. Yes the EU is expanding and that is why it is vital that we are part of it. Trying to trade outside it will only get harder and tade deals take an awful long time to set up, for exanple the EU's deal with Canada is only just getting going and its been over 7 years in the making. And don't think for a second that countries can't get what we have to sell elsewhere because they can. Also bare in mind that the SNP have said that a vote to leave could spark a new referendum in Scotland as they want to be in the EU. Them leaving would further damage this countries economy and influence.
Being proud of your country is fine and should always be the case but the world has changed in the last 30 years, people have to accept and embrace that. We cannot all be little Englandersanymore and shout brittantia rules the waves and expect to be a super power, the world doesn't work like that anymore. Our manufacturing has changed beyond recognition for starters to a point where we are no longer self sufficent (think the surge in china, nothing to do with the EU) and many of our biggest employers are owned by overseas conpanies who rely on the benefits being part of the free state brings. I can't stand Cameron and his cronies but on this one he is right, we are way better off in the EU. And having Boris as leader will bury thiscountry once and for all, the bloke is a first class buffoon. The damage that will be done by voting to leave doesn't bear thinking about.
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| Quote Sacred Cow="Sacred Cow"Voting to leave will make no difference to immigration, despite what the leave campaign want you to believe.'"
Absolutely true; for the much vaunted trade agreements enjoyed by Norway and Switzerland - they have to allow free movement; so the Shangri-La promised by Farage and co of being outside the EU, but enjoying all the benefits of trade etc, is a lie. As is the IDS line on each migrant worker displacing x number of UK workers; those figures he bandied about were actually taken from a study on non EU migrants, so again, more lies.
Equally - we can control our borders for non EU migrants and have been able to for a long time; how has that worked out in terms of controlling non EU immigration? Answer - it hasn't.
I'll be voting Remain - the days of Empire are over, and the UK is only a powerhouse because of our influential position in the EU; outside of it, I believe we'll become an irrelevance. I do however support reform of the EU - something which we'll be much better placed to achieve from the inside.
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| Quote bren2k="bren2k"Absolutely true; for the much vaunted trade agreements enjoyed by Norway and Switzerland - they have to allow free movement; so the Shangri-La promised by Farage and co of being outside the EU, but enjoying all the benefits of trade etc, is a lie. As is the IDS line on each migrant worker displacing x number of UK workers; those figures he bandied about were actually taken from a study on non EU migrants, so again, more lies.
Equally - we can control our borders for non EU migrants and have been able to for a long time; how has that worked out in terms of controlling non EU immigration? Answer - it hasn't.
I'll be voting Remain - the days of Empire are over, and the UK is only a powerhouse because of our influential position in the EU; outside of it, I believe we'll become an irrelevance. I do however support reform of the EU - something which we'll be much better placed to achieve from the inside.'"
Absolutely spot on.
I'd also like to point out the other myth the leave campaign peddles which is the £350m per week it supposedly costs to be in the EU. It really doesn't. With the rebate we instantly get, the extra trade we have due to being inside and the hand outs given for individual projects the monetary benefits far outweigh the money spent to be in. Leaving would actually cost money and where do you think that shortfall would come from? Yep, the tax payer through higher taxation and deeper cuts to services.
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| This has been doing the rounds on social media. Kind of struck a chord.
[iSome of my friends and relations have told me they will vote for Brexit in our referendum. At the risk of falling out with them I intend to vote for us to remain in the EU. Here's a bit of pre-EU history to help explain my position.
I grew up in a time of post-war austerity. My country, the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, was broke and virtually in ruins. Germans were still "the enemy" in children's games. Bomb sites and abandoned air-raid shelters were our playgrounds. Nine years after the war ended butter, meat and sugar were still rationed. One couldn't buy sweets without coupons issued by the government.
Portugal and Spain were fascist dictatorships. In Spain unauthorised gatherings of more than 3 people were illegal. A military junta later seized power in Greece. Half of Europe was sealed off behind the Iron Curtain. I remember lying in bed at night, in my parents home, and hearing the roar of American warplanes flying overhead on their Cold War missions. We were told that, if the Russians unleashed their missiles, we would get 4 minutes' warning of Armageddon.
In Britain our currency was weak. We had exchange controls. Travellers were allowed to take only £25 sterling out of the country plus a limited amount in foreign currency. On return, any left over had to be sold back to an authorised trader. The details were entered in one's passport. (See photo.)
The UK still had the death penalty despite some obvious and irreversible miscarriages of justice. In France they still executed condemned prisoners by cutting their heads off. In Spain they used strangulation.
The press and the BBC, (there was only the BBC), were not free from government interference and books, films and plays were censored. Women were paid less than men for equivalent work and landlords could turn away black and Irish people with impunity. For private acts of "gross indecency" gay men were sent to prison.
During the 1950s, six similarly devastated European countries were determined that the catastrophe of war between them should never be repeated. They decided to work towards creating a single European economy. The result was never "just a trading agreement" as some detractors now suggest. The Treaty of Rome, signed in 1957, provided for free movement of goods, services, people and capital, with the stated aim of "closer relations between the States".
The UK was invited to participate from the outset, but Prime Minister Attlee rather scornfully declined, thus missing the opportunity to influence the future development of Europe. However, by 1961 it had become obvious that the economies of "the Six", (France, West Germany, Italy, the Netherlands, Belgium and Luxembourg), were growing faster than ours, so we applied to join. It took 9 years of negotiations, (and 2 vetoes), before terms were agreed. The United Kingdom officially joined the European Communities on 1st January 1973.
In the 1980s many of our skilled workers took advantage of the free movement of people and migrated to West Germany, whose economy had already overtaken ours. These British " migrants" were the inspiration for a popular television series, "Auf Wiedersehen, Pet".
Since 1945 there have been wars in Europe, but none between countries that were members of the European Union. Despite global economic storms, the EU's citizens in 28 independent countries enjoy greater prosperity and greater freedom of movement, freedom from discrimination, freedom from conflict, freedom to trade across borders and freedom of expression than at any time in history.
So far no member state has ever applied to leave the EU. There have always been candidates to join but to succeed they must have democracy, the rule of law, a market economy and guarantees for the protection of minorities and human rights. They also need the support of ALL existing members, including us, without which they cannot join. In my opinion it would be a shame if Britain were to turn its back on Europe, give up its voice and influence, and opt for an uncertain future. So...I shall vote IN on 23rd June.[/i
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| Quote Theboyem="Theboyem"This has been doing the rounds on social media. Kind of struck a chord.
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Very quaint but absolutely nothing to do with the problems facing the UK in the 21st Century.
Monty Python's we used to dream of living in a shoebox comes to mind.
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| Quote Wollo-Wollo-Wollo-Wayoo="Wollo-Wollo-Wollo-Wayoo"Very quaint but absolutely nothing to do with the problems facing the UK in the 21st Century.
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Exactly like the vote leave's campaign then.
I'm afraid the 'we are Britain, everybody will come running to us and all will be fine' spiel from Boris & Co doesn't cut it sadly. The world doesn't work that way anymore.
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| It's interesting to watch the establishment turn on itself during this debate; the heads of respected business and finance organisations are almost universally in favour of remain, yet Jacob Rees Mogg and others are being wheeled out to discredit them at every opportunity. They've even got the cast of Spitting Image out of whatever warehouse they were stored in to turn the screws - whomever thought that would make Brexit a more appealing message was sadly mistaken.
It looks like this will be a double win; we'll stay in the EU, and the Tories will tear themselves apart in the process.
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| Quote bren2k="bren2k"It's interesting to watch the establishment turn on itself during this debate; the heads of respected business and finance organisations are almost universally in favour of remain, yet Jacob Rees Mogg and others are being wheeled out to discredit them at every opportunity. They've even got the cast of Spitting Image out of whatever warehouse they were stored in to turn the screws - whomever thought that would make Brexit a more appealing message was sadly mistaken.
It looks like this will be a double win; we'll stay in the EU, and the Tories will tear themselves apart in the process.'"
I agree either way after the referendum Camerons' days are numbered thankfully but he was going anyway. The winners if we stay in the EU will be no doubt be those heads of business and finance that are of course in favour of remain. Oh yes and the likes of Kinnock, Mandelson & Junkers that make the remain message so appealing. Continuing lower wages, rising immigration, TTIP agreement, more EU funding and the french will bailing out very soon too but never mind....Turkey & Albania will be rocking up soon to join the EU party. 
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| Quote The Avenger="The Avenger"We have the 5th largest economy in the world so we'll hardly be getting the begging bowl out looking for trade partners. Neither are we in any way comparable with Norway and Switzerland.
We have absolutely zero influence in the EU, evidenced by the total lack of success that the idiot Cameron had when trying to negotiate a better deal for the UK.
We contribute around £88Million a day to the EU and after that figure is balanced off by the discounts and kickbacks we are still a net contributor of =#FF0000£32Million per Day
That's almost £12Billion a year that we contribute to the EU
[size=150£12 Billion Per Year net contributors[/size
Coincidentally that's the same figure the Conservative zgovernment said they'd cut from Welfare at the last election, a figure they wouldn't be drawn on as to the where, who and how they'd do it!
£12 Billion!
How many schools is that?
How much housing?
How many Hospitals?
I'm no UKIP supporter and I'm not a Farage admirer but he's the only one talking any sense about immigration and he's the only one telling the truth about our inability to control our own borders while a member of the EU.
Everyone else fudges the issue and and throws up a smokescreen of "where would we be without immigration in the 50s & 60s"
Well that was then and we needed the immigration at that time but this is now and we don't need immigration on nearly the same scale.
"The NHS will fail without the influx of specialists, Consultants, Doctors and Nurses who come here to work in our NHS"
Well first of all, stop systematically undermining and underfunding the NHS so that you can Backdoor privatise it. Secondly, pay our own Medical and health staff properly and they might not feel the need to go work elsewhere. Finally, come on, who the hell do you think you're kidding! Walk through the Ridings centre on any afternoon and I'll tell you straight, it's not gangs of Consultant Doctors and Nurses that are sat around bothering young girls and intimidating anyone passing by.
Every form of infrastructure is stretched and broken,
Health
Education
Public Services
Housing
Welfare
We cannot continue to see mass immigration with no way whatsoever of stopping it, not while we're in the EU anyway, NONE!
Hey but I've outed myself haven't I?
I must be a racist or an uneducated bigot because I've broken the taboo and voiced my opinion against immigration.
You may now conveniently ignore anything I've said!'" you'll do for me
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| the thoughts of our leader sticking his cock in a pigs mouth and that with the lies and deceit that this government continue spew out would not give the confidence to even follow his advice, you only have to listen to the excuses what COULD happen give the impression that he's clutching at straws, this guys left a worse impression than that bitch thatcher, I look back at what this country has become and shake my head in shame
time to start again
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