which stadium in Castleford is this?

As things stand at the moment Castleford are fractionally better off than Wakefield Trinity are, indeed it could be argued that due to the funding crisis at Castleford they may be further away from a stadium than Wakefield are.

I hope that that isn't the case and that Castleford can solve their funding problems, get their new stadium and retain their super league place but to suggest that Wakefield Trinity's board of directors have done their club and the fans an injustice by not going Glasshoughton is ill informed and myopic.

And arent you so happy about that. Stop with the gloating stuff because if GH does not come off you could look silly. Just think about if your club was in trouble and how you would feel.

what's that got to do with it?

Castleford have outline planning permission, the £2 million contribution underwritten by Wakefield Council, an old contract with Ben Bailey homes that isn't worth the paper it's written on. If and when Castleford finally apply for full planning permission Im sure they [iwill[/i be successful in obtaining it but then comes the problems of actually funding the build which Castleford cannot do at this moment in time.

That in my opinion is as big of a hurdle as the public enquiry issues that Wakefield Trinity have and as lI suggested in my previous post it could be viewed as more serious and potentially more difficult to overcome.

The big issue for me is the timing of the franchise decisions and the different way the two clubs are viewed from the outside. It is my honest opinion that the two clubs are of very similar standing in most aspects with one being strong in one area but weaker in another. Unfortunately for Wakefield I don't believe that my opinion is shared by those people who will make the decision about franchises and therefore Castleford will get the nod ahead of Wakefield.

I'm not trying to say that Castleford don't deserve their place in super league, of course they do, and believe me or not if the roles were reversed and Castleford were omitted from the super league I would be as disgusted as I will be if it were Wakefield.

As a rugby league fan I am dismayed by the franchise process and believe it's only a matter of time before we return to traditional promotion and relegation. Unfortunately I believe there will be irreparable damage done in the meantime to a number of clubs and obviously to my own club Wakefield Trinity should they be unlucky enough to lose their place in super league this time round.

Had Steve O'Conner not been around to rescue Widnes they may have been another traditionally successful and historic club to have been destroyed by this ridiculous process.

Some might suggest that I'm only saying this because Wakefield are in jeopardy but that's not the case, I've voiced my disgust and concern about this in the past.

You said Cas were fractionally better off than wake didnt you, i asked the question what do you own ? Am mi not allowed to ask that ?

Go on what do WTW own ?

I personally think that both clubs are in the same position as each other, they have just placed a different spin on it. We kept hearing that one club was in a better position than the other. Depends how you spin it, but both clubs are still in jeopardy. Us, because of yesterday's outcome and Cas still having a funding issue, if they didn't then surely they would be pushing on like Salford are.

You can have full planning permission but unfortunately that does build the stadium, the money to pay for it, that's what gets it built.

As far as who is directly to blame for our current problem, the buck stops with the people running our club. When we were promoted to Super League promises were made to update Belle Vue, this never happened (except for the Butlins building). This outcome is not a problem that has appeared in the last year or so. The club were aware of the need for better facilities. Whether the franchise system had come in or not, improvements / modernisation would still have been required.

Plan B, better tick all the boxes or Wakefield Trinity will no longer exist in it's current form.

Will Plan B be enough to save Wakey in SL if their is actually one to build on? You can't give a gurantee for how long it will be for 1 year - forseeable future. Is there enough time (roughly 4 months) to put a bid in place based on Oakwell if that does go through? For Cas at least the stadium is effectively in their own hands and they have a stadium to play in post 2011. The worrying thing for Wakey seem's to be is their is a huge ? for where they will play in 2012 never mind afterwards and atm it's all reliant on other people?

I think you ought to let York court get on with the public enquiry now and the club and fans should concentrate on finding a backer, because all this talk of Barnsley is useless without the stability of a new chairman backer.
We all know Ted needs to step aside and lets face it any franchise application that you submit will be viewed as hollow with out the seal of a new backer. I say this because the RFL may take the view that they can not judge your ability to stay in business or stick to a business plan that is prepared by the club as it stands now.
The club have no real assets in fact they have sold their assets to continue trading, without these and the input from your chairman it would already seem a difficult job to stay afloat, this coupled with a move to Barnsley and the cost this would incur and probable drop in income leave your business plan looking very shaky.

I know some people say you may gain some support in Barnsley, but you have to remember that it will be viewed as a short stop gap arrangement which is not the foundation for building a new support base. You would be in affect only be ""using Barnsley as a stepping stone to building something better in Wakefield, I cant see the parochial locals having that. Then theirs the fact that you can not even build extra support in your own city, so how you think you will do it in another Every aspect or your club will take a hit in Barnsley so you will not be able to afford to put on the deals or give away tickets to entice people in. You will find it difficult to break into schools and the community due to the short term nature of your investment into the town.

So to think your in a better position than Cas is fantasy, I would be very surprised if you could afford to move to Barnsley without a new backer. Your business plan will just not stack up.

You need a new backer with a new business plan and a bloody good one at that or your chances are slim.

Also take every thing the club say with caution, they are unlikely to give out the real facts of your situation, as their last hope is that people keep buying into the dream, in fact they need people to buy into the Wildcats like never before. Remember Dianne making a statement about how you did not really owe the take money and that it was a mistake, only for Sir Rodney to pay it off. I will add I do not blame them from sparing supporters the truth as they are trying to keep what support they have so that you keep spending your money while they find some miracle cure (newmarket) to the clubs ills.

Are you being intentionally thick or is this genuinely your level of intelligence!

When I said Castleford are fractionally better off than Wakefield it was in terms of their position regarding the stadium and nothing to do with the monetary value of any assets owned by the club. Try using a little context when reading and writing it will help your understanding of the issues being discussed.

Well if we are into slagging off, lets have a go eh,

I asked a simple question, obviously to a simple person

Nothing to do with Cas or anything else....

My question is What Do WTW Actually Own ?

Simple question for a simpleton eh