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| Quote KevW60349="KevW60349"Are you trying to imply something because of my post. My four grandkids are part Scottish / Irish and Italian, i think that shows how i brought my 3 children up who are Wakefield born and bred. My eldest lad married a Scottish lass and now lives in Spain. My eldest daughter's partner is half Italian. there was no xenophobia in our household. i lived for 35 years in College Grove and have only left the area recently due to downsizing, i got on well with all my Asian neighbours and quite a few Eastern Europeans who settled in the area after the Second World War, they still speak to me when i see them. i have nothing against immigration into this country, but what i want is CONTROLLED immigration, not the free for all we get with been a member of the EU. we have no say who comes into the UK from other EU countries due to free movement and that includes anyone from around the world who gets citizenship in the EU. We will never be able to control our borders unless we leave, we should be able to decide for ourselves who can come into this country and not be overruled by EU judges.'" No, I'm not implying anything about you, I'm implying that if you ask your children or grandchildren they will probably tell you they want to stay.
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| So let me get this straight
All the Bremains are level headed, clear thinking and logical people who know all the facts and have made a considered view.
All the Brexiters are borderline xenophobic or worse and have been taken in by Boris and the evil Nigel Farage.
I'm out!
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| Quote headhunter="headhunter"No, I'm not implying anything about you, I'm implying that if you ask your children or grandchildren they will probably tell you they want to stay.'"
well i can tell you out of my 3 children, two are voting leave, the third is undecided but will probably vote stay. 3 of my grandchildren are too young to form an opinion, my eldest who has just become a teenager isn't sure of what to make of it all, at the moment she has no interest in politics or politicians. that's it for now from me, back to the rugby and i am looking forward for a win for Wakefield Trinity tomorrow against Huddersfield. 
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| Quote The Avenger="The Avenger"So let me get this straight
All the Bremains are level headed, clear thinking and logical people who know all the facts and have made a considered view.
All the Brexiters are borderline xenophobic or worse and have been taken in by Boris and the evil Nigel Farage.
I'm out!'" Not all of them, but the overwhelming consensus for remain from politicians, experts both foreign and domestic, commentators, businessmen and economists suggests that this isn't all that far from the truth TBH. One of the leading Brexit campaigners (Gove) has literally been telling people not to listen to experts. It's absurd.
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| Quote wrencat1873="wrencat1873"That was the point I was making.
Because we dont have the Euro, it is not Brussels controlling the British economy, it is the British government.
Farage and Johnson have been spewing out the line that we cant move because of rules created by Europe but, most people couldn't tell you any of these that make their life any more difficult.
As I said, it wasn't Brussels that brought in austerity cuts in Britain, it was our democratically elected government and it certainly wasn't Brussels trying to take money from the poorest people in our society (whilst letting the large international companies Google, Starbucks, Microsoft etc, etc pay feck all in tax), that was our British government.
The ruling classes are hiding behind and blaming Europe for all of the wrongs in this country and it's largely nonsense.
Even immigration, which is the trump cart of the Brexit campaign shows half of the total immigration coming from outside Europe (over 150,000) and this is the element that we "control".
The Brexit campaign is hoping things will be better.
Well, if we vote out on Thursday, there will be a recession in the UK next year and nobody knows quite how deep and how long this will last so, THANK YOU.'"
That's a good point about the powers that be blaming Europe...but if we ain't in they can't and will have to govern to the will of the people cos they won't have their scapegoat. How do you know there will be a recession...you're guessing. Is it because of all these experts keep saying it often enough people be live it. Most of these experts....And I use the term loosely...told us if we didn't join the euro we would sink into some sort of primeval swamp! Just goes to show you can fool some of the people all the time. No..THANK YOU for enslaving us in servitude to our unelected euro masters
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| Quote The Avenger="The Avenger"So let me get this straight
All the Bremains are level headed, clear thinking and logical people who know all the facts and have made a considered view.
All the Brexiters are borderline xenophobic or worse and have been taken in by Boris and the evil Nigel Farage.
I'm out!'"
In a nutshell yes. How condescending indeed.
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| Quote wotsupcas="wotsupcas"Most of these experts....And I use the term loosely...'"
From the mouth of Gove...
How we've ended up in a situation where the very people who can make an accurate a prediction about what Brexit would mean as is reasonably possible, are dismissed and vilified by people who lack even a basic grasp of the subject they're discussing, is a remarkable win for dog-whistle politics.
The worlds leading economists, politicians, defence experts and businessmen have become 'so called' experts rather than actual experts, in the space of a few weeks, simply because Michael Gove, the man who launched an all out attack on the education system in this country without ever having set foot in a classroom as anything other than a student, repeated it enough times on television. I despair.
Remain will most likely edge it today - and thank goodness - but the xenophobic, divisive rhetoric of the Leave campaign has created a powder keg of resentment in this country that will rumble on for years.
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| Unfortunately I too expect the fat cats, with their apocalyptical predictions, to win the day. I'm sure many non Brits around Europe are rubbing their hands and salivating already. 
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| Quote bren2k="bren2k"From the mouth of Gove...
How we've ended up in a situation where the very people who can make an accurate a prediction about what Brexit would mean as is reasonably possible, are dismissed and vilified by people who lack even a basic grasp of the subject they're discussing, is a remarkable win for dog-whistle politics.
The worlds leading economists, politicians, defence experts and businessmen have become 'so called' experts rather than actual experts, in the space of a few weeks, simply because Michael Gove, the man who launched an all out attack on the education system in this country without ever having set foot in a classroom as anything other than a student, repeated it enough times on television. I despair.
Remain will most likely edge it today - and thank goodness - but the xenophobic, divisive rhetoric of the Leave campaign has created a powder keg of resentment in this country that will rumble on for years.'"
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| Quote bren2k="bren2k"From the mouth of Gove...
How we've ended up in a situation where the very people who can make an accurate a prediction about what Brexit would mean as is reasonably possible, are dismissed and vilified by people who lack even a basic grasp of the subject they're discussing, is a remarkable win for dog-whistle politics.
The worlds leading economists, politicians, defence experts and businessmen have become 'so called' experts rather than actual experts, in the space of a few weeks, simply because Michael Gove, the man who launched an all out attack on the education system in this country without ever having set foot in a classroom as anything other than a student, repeated it enough times on television. I despair.
Remain will most likely edge it today - and thank goodness - but the xenophobic, divisive rhetoric of the Leave campaign has created a powder keg of resentment in this country that will rumble on for years.'"
And, if the vote is remain but, a clos vote (which is expected). we will probably be doing all of this again in 10/20 years time. 
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| Bookies all have it odds on for a Remain vote
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| Quote bren2k="bren2k"From the mouth of Gove...
How we've ended up in a situation where the very people who can make an accurate a prediction about what Brexit would mean as is reasonably possible, are dismissed and vilified by people who lack even a basic grasp of the subject they're discussing, is a remarkable win for dog-whistle politics.
The worlds leading economists, politicians, defence experts and businessmen have become 'so called' experts rather than actual experts, in the space of a few weeks, simply because Michael Gove, the man who launched an all out attack on the education system in this country without ever having set foot in a classroom as anything other than a student, repeated it enough times on television. I despair.
Remain will most likely edge it today - and thank goodness - but the xenophobic, divisive rhetoric of the Leave campaign has created a powder keg of resentment in this country that will rumble on for years.'"
You seem to be labouring under the misapprehension that I give a toss about what Gove says! Or for that matter Johnson,Cameron or Osbourne. They're politicians...And therefore liars. You haven't addressed my main point,which is,all the "experts" wanted us to join the euro....And they were wrong weren't they? Or do you think that would be a good idea?
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