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| Quote: lampyboy "Bloody he'll. I remember beating the drum for Dewsbury about a year ago and finding it difficult to get backing. I know the circumstances were different but I seem to remember plenty of comments like death of the club , final nail in the coffin; you won't get me going to dewsbury, sold down the river., Barnsley would be better option, Mar C must be off his rocker etc etc etc. Just goes to show how opinions can be changed with a little knowledge .
It's Wakefield Trinity not wakefield city and our historic ground s B V and yes if a solution could be found to stay in Wakefield that would be great. Dewsbury the next best but if your welcome and accommodated in Dewsbury and rejected i and forgotten in Wakefield what should you do.'"
Of course you are right.
However, as more an more time passes by, people are beginning to realise that we dont have many other options and when the news first broke, there wasn't a full explanation as to why the move was proposed.
It lack of will from our local council to help get Newmarket moving has been a bloody disgrace, not to mention them giving planning permission for Newcold outside the Newmarket site.
I'm happy to say I've changed my mind and it seems like plenty of others have done as well.
Newmarket was "passed" in December 2012 and it's now January 2017 and we seem not a step closer to any new ground/upgrade.
Time to move on ?
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| Quote: lampyboy "Bloody he'll. I remember beating the drum for Dewsbury about a year ago and finding it difficult to get backing. I know the circumstances were different but I seem to remember plenty of comments like death of the club , final nail in the coffin; you won't get me going to dewsbury, sold down the river., Barnsley would be better option, Mar C must be off his rocker etc etc etc. Just goes to show how opinions can be changed with a little knowledge .
It's Wakefield Trinity not wakefield city and our historic ground s B V and yes if a solution could be found to stay in Wakefield that would be great. Dewsbury the next best but if your welcome and accommodated in Dewsbury and rejected i and forgotten in Wakefield what should you do.'"
A short term move to Dewsbury would be ok, but if you are talking permanently, are you and others on here prepared to totally lose identity and eventually become Dewsbury Trinity? I think you'll find a lot of supporters will stay in Wakefield where Trinity should be based. The name and identity belongs to the people of Wakefield not elsewhere.
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| I've not changed my mind at all, I think it will be a slow lingering death outside of Wakefield, even if it's just a few metres past the boundary (it's pretty convenient for me to get to too) but until that time I will continue to watch them.
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| Quote: Trinity1315 "A short term move to Dewsbury would be ok, but are you and others on here prepared to totally lose identity and eventually become Dewsbury Trinity? I think you'll find a lot of supporters will stay in Wakefield where Trinity should be based. The name and identity belongs to the people of Wakefield not elsewhere.'"
Why would it ever be Dewsbury Trinity.
Wasps, Saracens, Harlequins, Arsenal, Crystal Palace and West Tigers - none of those clubs identifies are linked to a specific place and they all do fine.
So yes I would, I see the risks but I see the advantages - handled in a positive way.
Trinity Mets? Almost anyone could join that one.
It's sad truly sad for it to be this way but we've been betrayed by the city on every level. It's time to move on whilst keeping alive the memory of what once was and if a small woollen town is the best offer then so be it.
The shame certainly doesn't sit with us the fans.
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| when I started this post I was wondering how people would respond.
So far it looks very positive.
I Know this forums views are not scientifically accurate but it tends to indicate that if we are forced to relocate it will not be the end for the club and it will continue to thrive at a new location.
Also interesting point from Vastman about dropping the 'Wakefield'name , Soccer and RU have plenty of teams with names without a place so I see no problem there.
If MC and CB are reading this I hope it gives them a bit of positivity towards taking the plunge and saying good bye to Box and the rest of his bunch of puppets are out to shaft the club.
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| Quote: Khlav Kalash "I've not changed my mind at all, I think it will be a slow lingering death outside of Wakefield, even if it's just a few metres past the boundary (it's pretty convenient for me to get to too) but until that time I will continue to watch them.'"
Yes, I think it would be. The ONLY hope of keeping our identity would be as Vastman suggests to get a stake in the Owl Lane outfit BUT would Dewsbury be keen to go along with that, I'm not so sure they would.
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| Thought it was a great set up at Dewsbury. Makes you realise the challenges we face at BV.
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| Quote: Khlav Kalash "I've not changed my mind at all, I think it will be a slow lingering death outside of Wakefield, even if it's just a few metres past the boundary (it's pretty convenient for me to get to too) but until that time I will continue to watch them.'"
Whats the alternative ? we will nver ever get another ground in Wakefield and we will never get a penny towards the several millions of pounds needed to make BV acceptable. If we stay at Belle Vue our expected life span is much shorter, there will be a massive safety issue or crowd issue just waiting to happen. Every year the place decays rapidly and the council will make sure they offer no help whatsoever.
Much better to accept the inevitable and make the move in a planned way and hope to build on that, I see no future at Belle Vue.
Dewsbury may not be perfect, but its that or definite oblivion at BV.
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| Quote: Prince Buster "Whats the alternative ? we will nver ever get another ground in Wakefield and we will never get a penny towards the several millions of pounds needed to make BV acceptable. If we stay at Belle Vue our expected life span is much shorter, there will be a massive safety issue or crowd issue just waiting to happen. Every year the place decays rapidly and the council will make sure they offer no help whatsoever.
Much better to accept the inevitable and make the move in a planned way and hope to build on that, I see no future at Belle Vue.
Dewsbury may not be perfect, but its that or definite oblivion at BV.'"
It's a sad state of affairs but, unless there is something happening behind the scenes that we dont yet know about, this looks bang on the money.
The one thing to add though, is that it was a crowd of "1500" yesterday and that, the place would be busting at the seams with 4/5000 in there which may become a bigger problem.
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| For me, it's still a no-no, although I accept that it may become Hobsons Choice. It's a sorry state of affairs when the actions (or inactions) of those in charge results in us thinking that a stadium that isn't big enough to accommodate a Super League club and a long way from the centre of Wakefield is acceptable as a new home. It may be close to the edge of the Wakefield metropolitan boundary but it is nowhere near the city of Wakefield.
I get the rebranding of just Trinity mentioned by Vasty, but that would mean giving up on rugby league in Wakefield. Most people support Trinity because it represents their city. What will happen when it doesn't, and is merely the nearest rugby team? Support will dwindle. For people who don't live on the western side of the city, it would not even be the nearest rugby team, and where is the requirement not to watch Cas, for example, when your own city doesn't even have a team?
A move to Dewsbury would be an indictment on those in charge of the Newmarket project, with no positives. I accept, however, that it may become a matter of having no choice, and Peter Box will have achieved his dream of there being just one top flight team representing the Metropolitan District of Wakefield.
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| A lot of enthusiasm for Owl Lane but do we know that Dewsbury actually want us there?
That aside - I think it would be a great move, permanent if necessary. We could still be Wakefield Trinity but I actually think it would be better to remove the geographical tag and just be Trinity. That could give us a massive catchment area - the city of Wakefiekd, East Kirklees and parts of S Yorkshire down to Barnsley.
Slugger - we'd have to work hard to market Trinity in the areas I've mentioned as the "go to" Super League team. I live in North Warwickshire, about 25 miles from Leicester but there's loads of Leicester Tigers supporters around and about because Tigers have become the club to represent this area not just the city of Leicester.
I'd rather we stayed at BV but if it's not feasible a move to Dewsbury could be a massive opportunity for us.
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| Quote: Slugger McBatt "For me, it's still a no-no, although I accept that it may become Hobsons Choice. It's a sorry state of affairs when the actions (or inactions) of those in charge results in us thinking that a stadium that isn't big enough to accommodate a Super League club and a long way from the centre of Wakefield is acceptable as a new home. It may be close to the edge of the Wakefield metropolitan boundary but it is nowhere near the city of Wakefield.
I get the rebranding of just Trinity mentioned by Vasty, but that would mean giving up on rugby league in Wakefield. Most people support Trinity because it represents their city. What will happen when it doesn't, and is merely the nearest rugby team? Support will dwindle. For people who don't live on the western side of the city, it would not even be the nearest rugby team, and where is the requirement not to watch Cas, for example, when your own city doesn't even have a team?
A move to Dewsbury would be an indictment on those in charge of the Newmarket project, with no positives. I accept, however, that it may become a matter of having no choice, and Peter Box will have achieved his dream of there being just one top flight team representing the Metropolitan District of Wakefield.'"
Very much my thoughts Slugger. Box will be rubbing his hands with glee when Trinity depart the city. All focus can then legitimately be focused on the districts only top flight club.
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| Quote: Kevs Head "A lot of enthusiasm for Owl Lane but do we know that Dewsbury actually want us there?
That aside - I think it would be a great move, permanent if necessary. We could still be Wakefield Trinity but I actually think it would be better to remove the geographical tag and just be Trinity. That could give us a massive catchment area - the city of Wakefiekd, East Kirklees and parts of S Yorkshire down to Barnsley.
Slugger - we'd have to work hard to market Trinity in the areas I've mentioned as the "go to" Super League team. I live in North Warwickshire, about 25 miles from Leicester but there's loads of Leicester Tigers supporters around and about because Tigers have become the club to represent this area not just the city of Leicester.
I'd rather we stayed at BV but if it's not feasible a move to Dewsbury could be a massive opportunity for us.'"
I take your point about Leicester but I think you've actually got it the wrong way round. You'll tell me if I'm wrong, but the appeal for the Leicester Tigers is, I presume, that they are the biggest club in the area, and nothing more. If Trinity leave Wakefield and drop the city name from the title, the choice for Wakefield residents becomes which of the nearest big clubs do they opt for (and only one of which will be in the Wakefield district). Now, Wakefield residents opt for the team that represents the city. In Dewsbury, the choice is not so automatic.
We already have all parts of South Yorkshire to market to. I'm not sure we should be focussing on small towns in Kirklees, some of which already have rugby teams. The focus should be on Wakefield, "Your City, Your Team", etc. Unfortunately, those at the top don't see it that way.
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| I agree it would be brilliant to have a council that backed sport and the tag Wakefield but can anyone expect that to happen any time soon.
Just how long will Box be in charge how old is he now.
His preference may well be Cas but if other members can not see an advantage of a club with the Wakey tag then we are truly scuppered.
For me it's about the History of the club and representing Wakefield but unfortunately that does not appear to be the view of people who can make a difference, so without the backing it's time to move on.
Fighting wakey council will be a long drawn out costly affair and I don't see a favourable outcome.
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