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| Quote ="PopTart"So what is it that Poching is meant to have done that meant that Salford scored 4 -5 tries down his wing but the stats show he didn't attempt one tackle for the whole game?
I'm sure Poching had his faults and was inexperienced, but let's not just ignore the fact that some players under performed.'"
Same as he should have done vs Toulouse at Magic, change the system that clearly wasnt working and try and find a solution, Toulouse got on a role and each cut back on the TV to poching looked like he didnt have a clue what to do to change things.
Players can be blamed but if the system is to play in the middle as soon as the ball is spread the winger (Lineham in this case) can literally do nothing if it 2/3 on 1. Granted tackle the player with the ball at the time doesnt excuse the 0 attempts and at least you have made an effort but he also wasnt fit (Clearly wasnt be this from injury or a poor preseason) and was brought back from an injury he was clearly not over, it was also the game with 2 inexperienced/none match fit centres in Minns and Croft, from memory Minns was miles away most of the time and croft was like a rabbit in headlights.
Lineham then didnt play for may be 3/4 of the season so who is to blame for all the below par performances prior to the Cas game? when the reality hit i genuinely believe the players who were leaving wanted to make the effort to turn the tide, and if players had given feedback probably explains why poching didnt have his contract renewed
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| Quote ="Wildcat_1"Same as he should have done vs Toulouse at Magic, change the system that clearly wasnt working and try and find a solution, Toulouse got on a role and each cut back on the TV to poching looked like he didnt have a clue what to do to change things.
Players can be blamed but if the system is to play in the middle as soon as the ball is spread the winger (Lineham in this case) can literally do nothing if it 2/3 on 1. Granted tackle the player with the ball at the time doesnt excuse the 0 attempts and at least you have made an effort but he also wasnt fit (Clearly wasnt be this from injury or a poor preseason) and was brought back from an injury he was clearly not over, it was also the game with 2 inexperienced/none match fit centres in Minns and Croft, from memory Minns was miles away most of the time and croft was like a rabbit in headlights.
Lineham then didnt play for may be 3/4 of the season so who is to blame for all the below par performances prior to the Cas game? when the reality hit i genuinely believe the players who were leaving wanted to make the effort to turn the tide, and if players had given feedback probably explains why poching didnt have his contract renewed'"
Again, forgetting the reality of the time. There was no one else to play. Poching played the players available.
It's easy to criticise tactics based on the look on Poching's face but it's hardly knowledgeable analysis. Whereas not putting a tackle in, especially when you have a young centre inside you is a personal issue not a tactical issue.
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| Quote ="PopTart"Again, forgetting the reality of the time. There was no one else to play. Poching played the players available.
[i[size=150It's easy to criticise tactics based on the look on Poching's face [/size[/ibut it's hardly knowledgeable analysis. Whereas not putting a tackle in, especially when you have a young centre inside you is a personal issue not a tactical issue.'"
Best line I have ever seen written on these boards.... 
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| Didn't Lineham describe himself as "The Flying Pig" it seemed like a good description at the time.He seems to have listened to himself and regained the fitness level that he had previously.Hope he can now show that he has also regained the skill and performance levels that he undoubtedly had in earlier seasons.
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| Quote ="PopTart"Again, forgetting the reality of the time. There was no one else to play. Poching played the players available.
It's easy to criticise tactics based on the look on Poching's face but it's hardly knowledgeable analysis. Whereas not putting a tackle in, especially when you have a young centre inside you is a personal issue not a tactical issue.'"
You didn't have to look at Poching's face to know that his tactics were wrong, the results and style of play showed that.
I don't excuse Lineham for tackles he should have made, but he was hardly the first winger to be left exposed by the Trinity 'defence'
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| I see it as praising his current boss and venting his frustration for having a rubbish season. Although we could say it was more to do with him, he isn't the only player to say it, so he's probably right.
In the context of the season about to start though, it's optimistic talk bigging up the new boss.
As for WP, I said it countless times last season, and I've said it before: never, ever promote the willing assistant who fancies a go. The ones who have made it, across all clubs, are few and far between. There are many examples where it hasn't, and it never has with us. Some people are just meant to be assistants, nothing more.
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| Quote ="1315trinity"You didn't have to look at Poching's face to know that his tactics were wrong, the results and style of play showed that.
I don't excuse Lineham for tackles he should have made, but he was hardly the first winger to be left exposed by the Trinity 'defence''"
I would think he is probably unique in actually not even attempting one in eighty minutes. He has made his views public which appear to try to excuse his own performances therefore he can no longer look for a scapegoat if he fails to perform.
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| I'm a bit on the fence with this one.
Like him or not, he is one of our more experienced players, and will have seen set ups at other clubs that have enjoyed more success in the pitch than we have.
At the same time, Poching's record wasn't that bad, as some think. For me, the question was, has Poching just continued where Chester left off.
Sometimes, in any career, if systems don't work, and can be improved, is it not a good idea to speak up.
Lineham, just now needs to prove himself and pay a bit back to the club with good performances
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| Quote ="Slugger McBatt"I see it as praising his current boss and venting his frustration for having a rubbish season. Although we could say it was more to do with him, he isn't the only player to say it, so he's probably right.
In the context of the season about to start though, it's optimistic talk bigging up the new boss.
As for WP, I said it countless times last season, and I've said it before: never, ever promote the willing assistant who fancies a go. The ones who have made it, across all clubs, are few and far between. There are many examples where it hasn't, and it never has with us. Some people are just meant to be assistants, nothing more.'"
What do you consider our new coach to be ?
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| I'm a bit on the fence with this one.
Like him or not, he is one of our more experienced players, and will have seen set ups at other clubs that have enjoyed more success in the pitch than we have.
At the same time, Poching's record wasn't that bad, as some think. For me, the question was, has Poching just continued where Chester left off.
Sometimes, in any career, if systems don't work, and can be improved, is it not a good idea to speak up.
Lineham, just now needs to prove himself and pay a bit back to the club with good performances
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| Quote ="Scarlet Pimpernell"What do you consider our new coach to be ?'"
Head of Youth, so was involved in coaching a team, team set-ups, seeking out talent, strategy. The same pathway as Shaun Wane. A bit more than noting down what the head coach barks as you during a game and implementing someone else's strategy. Head of youth has to have his own strategy, I would have thought.
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| Quote ="Eastern Wildcat"
Lineham, just now needs to prove himself and pay a bit back to the club with good performances'"
Before that I think he needs to keep his gob shut and his face off the screens.
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| Quote ="The Avenger"Really?
He had a win % so where in the mid 40s which is up there with Shane McNally and Andy Kelly, he must have been doing something right'"
I think the late season player mutiny that was allegedly led by Milky and Dave etc to get the players geed up helped that win %
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| I hope Lineham has a great season for us whenever and if he plays. And the best of luck to him.
But he does come across as a tool. And it bothers me, because it is a distraction to the team, and I feel it devalues a level of the professionalism that Mash is trying to build into the club. I'm not sure of the merit of saying that under WP training was so lax as a veiled reason why he was 10 kilos over weight and laughed after every try at Salford. I think it's a credibility thing. The only way he is going to rectify that is be brilliant this year - and then he can be as much of a clown as he likes. But until then...
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