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| Quote deeHell="deeHell"Branson is just another one of the global business and financial elite'"
Without whom there would be no jobs for working class heroes to nobly toil at whilst being downtrodden and abused...
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| Quote deeHell="deeHell"Branson is just another one of the global business and financial elite, what's is the interest for them most certainly isn't in the interest of the average Brit. I only hope the voters can put that connection in their heads on election day.
A political idealogical battle is been played out between continuing Globalisation and reducing the effectiveness of national Democracy. So far it's one way and if it goes too far it will end in tears. Without the right to hold to account your politicians they have no reason what so ever to do what is best for the people. The EU will treat the the UK people as nothing more than a tax farm to redistribute. Three major crisis are playing out at the moment and imo we have yet to see no way near the worst of the effects. The Southern EU debt crisis ( to a lesser effect our down debt problems), biggest mass migration of people in history and the quest to make Turkey a member of the EU. What these showdowns play out the people I want representing me are people that I can hold to account. Who can hold an unelected suite in Brussels to account? these politicians have no real check and balances on themselves. It's all about democracy for me and I think a lot of voters under-valuing our democracy.'"
You've actually hit the nail on the head regarding globalisation. The problem is that it's happening and it's going to happen even more. I personally hate some aspects of globalisation but I can't pick and choose between the bits I like and those I don't like and trying to stop it is like Canute trying to hold back the tide (he knew he couldn't do it). Migration is another facet of globalisation. Again, we won't be able to stop it (without ever more draconian measures and militaristic security - not the kind of country I want to live in). The EU cocked up badly with the refugee issue but Britain on its own won't be able to stop people entering the country any more than it can now. The world's changed and Britain's changed - we can't go back to the old days before the EU, safe, familiar and comfy as it may seem from 2016 (it wasn't by the way) - and, in my opinion, you don't solve global issues like trade, the environment, terrorism, animal welfare, migration etc on your own. You can only solve them by having influence and you have influence by being in the EU, at the heart of it, helping to decide the direction it goes in. The EU isn't undemocratic. It's ponderous and bureaucratic and needs changing in many respects but it's not undemocratic. And, as regards Turkey - they simply will not get in the EU any time soon and they will NEVER get in if just one member state vetoes the decision. Turkey is not an issue.
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| Quote bren2k="bren2k"Without whom there would be no jobs for working class heroes to nobly toil at whilst being downtrodden and abused...'"
A bit of a misrepresentation of Branson's achievements I think. Democratic accountability must be a bad thing in your world.
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| Quote Kevs Head="Kevs Head"You've actually hit the nail on the head regarding globalisation. The problem is that it's happening and it's going to happen even more. I personally hate some aspects of globalisation but I can't pick and choose between the bits I like and those I don't like and trying to stop it is like Canute trying to hold back the tide (he knew he couldn't do it). Migration is another facet of globalisation. Again, we won't be able to stop it (without ever more draconian measures and militaristic security - not the kind of country I want to live in). The EU cocked up badly with the refugee issue but Britain on its own won't be able to stop people entering the country any more than it can now. The world's changed and Britain's changed - we can't go back to the old days before the EU, safe, familiar and comfy as it may seem from 2016 (it wasn't by the way) - and, in my opinion, you don't solve global issues like trade, the environment, terrorism, animal welfare, migration etc on your own. You can only solve them by having influence and you have influence by being in the EU, at the heart of it, helping to decide the direction it goes in. The EU isn't undemocratic. It's ponderous and bureaucratic and needs changing in many respects but it's not undemocratic. And, as regards Turkey - they simply will not get in the EU any time soon and they will NEVER get in if just one member state vetoes the decision. Turkey is not an issue.'"
Who votes the EU commission into power who sets the agenda and whose interest do they act? I certainly don't remember giving them a mandate. I understand that Cyprus and Greece would veto Turkeys but whats to stop the EU giving them associate membership with full benefits? Nothing at all without the democratic means to remove them. They have no need to consider what the vast majority of the continent want, democracy is an hurdle to these bureaucrats. Without democracy all you have is violence as a means of political expression and with a treat of that come a oppressive form of government. 1984 comes to mind.
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| The Commission is unelected but it doesn't make laws. Elected MEPs consider the Commission,s recommendations and vote accordingly. Turkey has to satisfy something like 30 conditions for entry. So far, after 10 years negotiation, they've satisfied precisely one! It's not going to happen soon. And, do you think the UK would vote to admit Turkey?
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| Quote Kevs Head="Kevs Head"The Commission is unelected but it doesn't make laws. Elected MEPs consider the Commission,s recommendations and vote accordingly. Turkey has to satisfy something like 30 conditions for entry. So far, after 10 years negotiation, they've satisfied precisely one! It's not going to happen soon. And, do you think the UK would vote to admit Turkey?'"
It's government policy to encourage Turkeys membership.
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| Quote wrencat1873="wrencat1873"The irony of your situation is that, without the population growth (largely from European migrants), there would be no house building going on.
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Largely from European migrants?
Maybe from skilled migrants who could afford private new builds but open your eyes to see what "talent" is being let in!
I don't owe my living to low skilled migration.They are too high maintenance ,we have enough with our own low skilled population.
You are quite right about social housing though and availability.
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| Quote deeHell="deeHell"A bit of a misrepresentation of Branson's achievements I think. Democratic accountability must be a bad thing in your world.'"
I just don't buy the dog-whistle soundbites about big business and the financial elite; I agree that there are issues around fair taxation and sharp practices that need to be addressed, but without entrepreneurs and wealth creators like Branson, the economy would collapse.
Ironically, we're in a stronger position to do that stuff as part of the EU - the French finance authority for example, just raided Google's offices for tax compliance offences.
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| Quote bren2k="bren2k"I just don't buy the dog-whistle soundbites about big business and the financial elite; I agree that there are issues around fair taxation and sharp practices that need to be addressed, but without entrepreneurs and wealth creators like Branson, the economy would collapse.
Ironically, we're in a stronger position to do that stuff as part of the EU - the French finance authority for example, just raided Google's offices for tax compliance offences.'"
And took rather more from them than The British Government allowed them to get away with.
If we are worried about anyone allowing big business to "get away with it", we don't have to look too far along Downing Street for some examples of how the rich and wealthy use legal loopholes and other methods to heavily reduce their tax
burden.
The ruling class in the UK have always looked after themselves and their own, usually to the detriment of the less well off.
Let's all vote to give them an even freer reign over the masses
Look after your own and squeeze the last drop of life from the poor and unfortunate, the Tories will love that.
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| I'm interested to see Gove suggest that upon Brexit, they'll cut VAT on energy bills - saving the average family a massive 60 quid a year.
That's about the 8th or 9th thing I've seen them promise to spend the so-called savings resulting from Brexit on; I believe it already adds up to several times the value of the contributions.
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| I hope the rhetoric changes over the next 2 weeks to include a bit more reality.
The Albanians arriving will not help the remain cause one iota. I see Boris and Gove want to introduce an Australian points system.
I like that idea but how does it work if they are not the government? Presumably Cameron just stands to one side and lets them take over?
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| Quote Manuel="Manuel"I hope the rhetoric changes over the next 2 weeks to include a bit more reality.
The Albanians arriving will not help the remain cause one iota. I see Boris and Gove want to introduce an Australian points system.
I like that idea but how does it work if they are not the government? Presumably Cameron just stands to one side and lets them take over?
any ideas?'"
If Britain votes for Exit, Cameron's position will immediately become untenable and I presume there would have to be a general election.
What would be great, but it isn't going to happen, would be a little more of the truth from both sides.
I know that politicians are famous for not keeping their promises, once they are elected but, the utter lies and deceit (from both sides) during this "campaign" has been a poor advert for democracy.
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