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| Quote ="kinleycat"Sorry but I disagree, the "whole" development is what matters to the "people" that matter.
If the development was looking like being refused because of an unpopular aspect, (such as a sports stadium) the plans would be changed, and you would have no say at all. You only have to look at the plans to see how the development has used/benefited from placing the ground where it is to be sited.
We are desperate for the ground because of our own reasons but we are a very very small potato, and if you don't believe that you are deluded.
As for the poloticians, they would buy and sell their souls for a sniff of winning, so there all either going to be, all for it or risk loosing more votes than they would get, apposing it. Morales and politicians don't go together it's a simple matter of numbers with them.
We've done our bit with the petition, and well done to you for that, but now we,re out of the equation.'"
Letters and Emails to the express and local politicians in support of the development will help and will do no harm
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| Quote ="kinleycat"Sorry but I disagree, the "whole" development is what matters to the "people" that matter.
If the development was looking like being refused because of an unpopular aspect, (such as a sports stadium) the plans would be changed, and you would have no say at all. You only have to look at the plans to see how the development has used/benefited from placing the ground where it is to be sited.
We are desperate for the ground because of our own reasons but we are a very very small potato, and if you don't believe that you are deluded.
As for the poloticians, they would buy and sell their souls for a sniff of winning, so there all either going to be, all for it or risk loosing more votes than they would get, apposing it. Morales and politicians don't go together it's a simple matter of numbers with them.
We've done our bit with the petition, and well done to you for that, but now we,re out of the equation.'"
I really don't understand where you are coming from. You are risking a vital element in the overall equation - through complacency.
You have alluded to the overall scheme, yet you seem blinkered to the role of the individual cog within the machine - to the point where I am beginning to think you are being deliberately contrare. 
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| Quote ="TRB"I really don't understand where you are coming from. You are risking a vital element in the overall equation - through complacency.
You have alluded to the overall scheme, yet you seem blinkered to the role of the individual cog within the machine - to the point where I am beginning to think you are being deliberately contrare.
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no complacency at all, I just happen to think that we've all played our bit and now it's down to the developers who have a different set of objectives to us, but we have a common intrest.
I may be blinkered, like you may be full of your own importance which is why you are always very accusing of others with opposing views to your own.
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| Quote ="kinleycat"no complacency at all, I just happen to think that we've all played our bit and now it's down to the developers who have a different set of objectives to us, but we have a common intrest.
I may be blinkered, like you may be full of your own importance which is why you are always very accusing of others with opposing views to your own.'"
I have no view of my own importance - I do however have a view of the importance of this project.
At least I now know where your motivation comes from! 
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| Quote ="kinleycat"no complacency at all, I just happen to think that we've all played our bit and now it's down to the developers who have a different set of objectives to us, but we have a common intrest.
I may be blinkered, [ulike you may be full of your own importance [/uwhich is why you are always very accusing of others with opposing views to your own.'"
Just for once i'm lost for words 
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| Quote ="BIGAL1"Just for once i'm lost for words
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I can fall out with people quite easily! 
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| Quote ="TRB"I can fall out with people quite easily!
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Sorry boss 
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| Quote ="BIGAL1"Sorry boss
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| Quote ="TRB"I have no view of my own importance - I do however have a view of the importance of this project.
At least I now know where your motivation comes from!
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astound me?
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| Kinleycat & TRB - can I suggest you keep your little tiff to PM's so that we don't give the impression of being divided over the proposals for creating jobs and securing a great part of our city's heritage.
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| Quote ="RDM"Kinleycat & TRB - can I suggest you keep your little tiff to PM's so that we don't give the impression of being divided over the proposals for creating jobs and securing a great part of our city's heritage.'"
remind me again the point of this forum, is it just so we all have one opinion? Trb's !!!!
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| Quote ="RDM"Kinleycat & TRB - can I suggest you keep your little tiff to PM's so that we don't give the impression of being divided over the proposals for creating jobs and securing a great part of our city's heritage.'"
Get you being all Perez DeCuellar!! 
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| Not really,had to Google it to make sure I didn't mis-spell it,didn't want picking up on my grandma' 
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| Quote ="kinleycat"remind me again the point of this forum, is it just so we all have one opinion? Trb's !!!!'"
Not at all. Every one's opinion is equally valid and open debate is something we all enjoy, but when previous posts have mentioned the high probability of opponents to the development at Newmarket keeping tabs on the forum I just see little value in giving them greater ammunition.
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| Quote ="JINJER"Get you being all Perez DeCuellar!!
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| Quote ="RDM"Not at all. Every one's opinion is equally valid and open debate is something we all enjoy, but when previous posts have mentioned the high probability of opponents to the development at Newmarket keeping tabs on the forum I just see little value in giving them greater ammunition.'"
In fairness - I don't think we disagree on the product - merely the delivery of it. I'm quite happy to discuss the methods of approach and, on this occasion, I disagree with kinley.
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| Quote ="TRB"I'm missing nothing. We have a massive job still to do - and we have a massive influensive power that we need to keep involved and alert. SWAG was formed to influence the politics in Wakefield - and the final say on this will be the politicians - don't forget that!
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Look how many people signed the "No war In Iraq" petition or The country side alliance march in London Politicians take no notice of petitions, downing street gets 10s a week with and they smile and do their own thing.
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| Quote ="rugbyball"Look how many people signed the "No war In Iraq" petition or The country side alliance march in London Politicians take no notice of petitions, downing street gets 10s a week with and they smile and do their own thing.'"
Oh look - a feeding frenzy! - Oh goody! 
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| In clarity to the above comments:
Our firend 'rugbyball' is a Featherstone fan who appears to wish to de-rail the campaign to influence the planning process in favour of the proposals submitted.
5 years ago it seemed that WMDC would do little, if anything, to assist in the building of new sporting facilities for rugby league. We have come along way since then, not through what SWAG has done, but through the what the fans have done - once they had a campaign to support. We are quite possibly approaching the point where our use will be no longer required, but I have no desire to end up like the South African cricket team (sorry Al) and end up 1 winning ball short of getting what we set out to achieve.
We are NOT there yet - please do not be swayed otherwise by some of the comments on here!
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| Quote ="JINJER"Not really,had to Google it to make sure I didn't mis-spell it,didn't want picking up on my grandma'
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Tres bien!! 
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| I've always said that I will not believe the new ground will happen until I am stood in it watching a game - there have been plenty of ideas, plans, let downs, over the years. We are now getting close towards it being reality but as TRB says, we are NOT there yet. It still needs the support of the fans and the community of Wakefield and others.
I'm on the wrong side of the M62 in Rothwell (owned by Leeds  ) but probably closer to the new site than many in Wakefield. There have been a few letters of support for the stadium in the local press and I will support the plans for the stadium and other stuff as much as I can.
About 10 or so years ago before everything went ga-ga for Leeds United, they were looking at having a new ground just of J45 of the M1 - this would have been about half a mile away from my house. Immediately a number of locals turned NIMBY and wrote to the press saying it would bring loads of fans to Rothwell to get drunk, fight and cause damage like had never been seen. I never agreed with them and would have supported the stadium & and retail park / industrial area around it - if it came back as an option I would support it again.
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