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| Quote normycat="normycat"There will be a good strong supportive turn out on tues by Wakefield Trinity supporters and by the unemployed who are seeking and want work. What a great opportunity for the youth of today who want apprenticeships in the construction industry,and people who want work in the Hotel and commercial sectors etc. 500 construction jobs and 2000 jobs created upon completion of the development. Surley its government policy to reduce the dole que in the Wakefield area where figures are totaly unacceptable.'"
Thats spin if ever I saw it. I have seen this referred to but being realistic wharehouse units dont emply large numbers of staff completely the opposite infact. The good news is there will be opportunities for people to get work and with people working it will be positive on the local economy.
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| Factual spin might i had the figures are accurate.
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| Quote REDWHITEANDBLUE="REDWHITEANDBLUE"Thats spin if ever I saw it. I have seen this referred to but being realistic wharehouse units dont emply large numbers of staff completely the opposite infact. The good news is there will be opportunities for people to get work and with people working it will be positive on the local economy.'"
The 2,000 and 500 numbers are widely quoted and are based on full occupation of the site, but yes, they are achievable.
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| Yet more positive news ousing out of Wakefield leading up to the public enquiry. Congratulations to all concerned re temp stands installation for a two year period.
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| IA have you seen the 67 page document on the council planning portal from June Fender and co. There are all sorts of allegations from Box having a conflict of interest cos he used to be a consultant for the firm who cleaned the NM site up, to your letter of support being riddled with inaccuracies and at best misleading!!!
Just wondered what you thought of it all.
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| Imaterial Wakefield council are intersted in creating jobs that cost nothing and tick the right boxes. The outcome of the enquiry will be purlely a government decision and not a Wakefield council decision.
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| Wow =Wakefield council owe Wakefield a future
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| Quote Tricky2309="Tricky2309"IA have you seen the 67 page document on the council planning portal from June Fender and co. There are all sorts of allegations from Box having a conflict of interest cos he used to be a consultant for the firm who cleaned the NM site up, to your letter of support being riddled with inaccuracies and at best misleading!!!
Just wondered what you thought of it all.'"
I reckon I can let you know a shortened version of his reply - 'not a lot'! 
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| I've just had a read of that 67 page document and they should have basically called it 'NIMBY' a case study, it's comical to say the least. I love the bit where they state that, Trinity don't need a stadium because Cas have one and apparently if we joined in with them, it would automatically be built. 
The amount of far reaching statements they come out with is unreal, they're even still trying to make out that match days will cause problems for Pinderfields hospital A&E department, they don't seem to understand that match days aren't played during rush hour and the majority of the time on the weekends.
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| Try [url=https://planning.wakefield.gov.uk/online-applications/pagedSearchResults.do?action=page&searchCriteria.page=4this[/url.
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| So pretty much they're against everything!
They're against cars, but own them
They're against public transport but admit they're under serviced.
They suggest 800 parking spaces aren't enough, but don't want car use?
They highlight, the fact that Arriva/Metro are more than happy to arrange match day shuttles for 13/365 days of the year thus reducing traffic issues.
They recognise the need for employment, but only if the unemployed are in a short walking distance to the site? Do all inhabitants of Newmarket Lane work on NM lane?
To be honest i'm quite happy with the document, because it highlights the fact that still after plenty of time to prepare and plan to object against the site they still haven't focused their objection towards several key issues and have rather broadened their objection to encompass everything. In doing so, this means their arguement when specifically analysed point by point is rather flimsy.
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| I would agree. The document picks on so many diverse issue, it doesn't really back one reason. I know that isn't enough but I think they'd have been better saying, 'there is one big reason why this doesn't work.....' rather than saying every alternative, some of which will be knocked down quite easily.
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| Quote Tricky2309="Tricky2309"IA have you seen the 67 page document on the council planning portal from June Fender and co. There are all sorts of allegations from Box having a conflict of interest cos he used to be a consultant for the firm who cleaned the NM site up, to your letter of support being riddled with inaccuracies and at best misleading!!!
Just wondered what you thought of it all.'"
Other than it was very nice of them to let us have the information we need to counter their arguments in advance, not that we really needed 67 pages of it, then pretty much what TRB posted!
It is full of holes you could drive a bus through... and we intend to do just that! 
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| Quote Trinity Till Death="Trinity Till Death"So pretty much they're against everything!
They're against cars, but own them
They're against public transport but admit they're under serviced.
They suggest 800 parking spaces aren't enough, but don't want car use?
They highlight, the fact that Arriva/Metro are more than happy to arrange match day shuttles for 13/365 days of the year thus reducing traffic issues.
They recognise the need for employment, but only if the unemployed are in a short walking distance to the site? Do all inhabitants of Newmarket Lane work on NM lane?
To be honest i'm quite happy with the document, because it highlights the fact that still after plenty of time to prepare and plan to object against the site they still haven't focused their objection towards several key issues and have rather broadened their objection to encompass everything. In doing so, this means their arguement when specifically analysed point by point is rather flimsy.'"
That is a good summary... I quite like this, I might read this out to the planning inspector at my evidence session!
The employment thing is their attempt to pick up on a planning technicality!
Sites are assessed for 'public transport accessibility' on this really dumb flow chart system. Basically, if you don't have a current bus stop within 400 metres of the CENTRE of a new site, your site is considered to have a very poor public transport access. Firstly, if the site is not an urban site then all large sites score poorly. It is complete nonsense... and they know it! The extra buses will come when people start working on the site and therefore there is a need for extra buses... chicken and egg!
Newmarket scores poorly on this stupid system... but not quite a poorly as the Aire Valley, which needs a road before you can put a bus stop up and drive a bus anywhere near it!
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| Quote Trinity Till Death="Trinity Till Death"So pretty much they're against everything!
They're against cars, but own them
They're against public transport but admit they're under serviced.
They suggest 800 parking spaces aren't enough, but don't want car use?
They highlight, the fact that Arriva/Metro are more than happy to arrange match day shuttles for 13/365 days of the year thus reducing traffic issues.
They recognise the need for employment, but only if the unemployed are in a short walking distance to the site? Do all inhabitants of Newmarket Lane work on NM lane?
To be honest i'm quite happy with the document, because it highlights the fact that still after plenty of time to prepare and plan to object against the site they still haven't focused their objection towards several key issues and have rather broadened their objection to encompass everything. In doing so, this means their arguement when specifically analysed point by point is rather flimsy.'"
Maybe someone should also mention to them on the quiet that, should the Newmarket development not get the go ahead, then it has apparently been discussed in high places that the site would go on the (now quite short) list of places that a certain necessary development that has recently been pulled from Walton and previously from Ossett could go. I'm sure that would please them.....
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| Quote sixtogo="sixtogo"Maybe someone should also mention to them on the quiet that, should the Newmarket development not get the go ahead, then it has apparently been discussed in high places that the site would go on the (now quite short) list of places that a certain necessary development that has recently been pulled from Walton and previously from Ossett could go. I'm sure that would please them.....'"
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I hope the picking of your lottery numbers affords you the same luck.... 
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| That document is a joke; typically for NIMBY's, their argument is flimsy, badly constructed and uses a carpet-bombing approach to try to raise as many objections as possible, however tenuous.
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| It will be very interesting what appears on the horizon when all of the dust has settled after the political war fare.
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| Quote bren2k="bren2k"That document is a joke; typically for NIMBY's, their argument is flimsy, badly constructed and uses a carpet-bombing approach to try to raise as many objections as possible, however tenuous.'"
Barton Wilmore - their services will cost a few bob. I wonder who's paying?
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| To quote an old legal maxim:
If you're strong on the law, argue the law.
If you're strong on the facts, argue the facts.
If you're strong on neither, bang on the table.
Bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang. That's all I can hear.
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| Quote RebelRebel="RebelRebel"Barton Wilmore - their services will cost a few bob. I wonder who's paying?'"
Myself and Yorkcourt's barrister were having the same conversation just the other day... we have a good idea... but don't know for certain!
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