That change of coach had nothing at all to do with Applegarth telling Carter and Minnards that he would do the job for 50% of the wage Willie was getting....

Anyone could see that 5 or 6 games in when we got nillled four games in a row Applegarth wasn’t cut out for it. The club let him then lose 10 more on the bounce and still did nothing. They’ve had ample time to get rid and haven’t, which says something.

the grovellers on here see nothing

Agree ,Poching should never have gone ,Was starting to bring younger player's to the club, ( who this coach got rid of ) had a 42% win record best since the great Topo .Poaching was a legend at this club One more mistake was letting R Hampshire go ( a lot of fans favourite) and by far a better player at 6 or 7 that as played this season and all ways gave100% even when playing with a broken jaw. Plus not giving Miller 20, thousand pounds more Yet they club were willing to throw money down the drain on players like Proctor and other so called over Sea S L players who were no were near the standed of Big Dave ( A all time Legend of this club) who came out of retirement to play It is no suprise we are in the Championship .As said you could see in the Featherstone warm up game you could see then we would finish bottom When I came out of game last night I was not sad, deflated Just angry that if Catalan are a top team ,the standard of S L is shocking, and this season we got everything wrong

I wonder if we will get a statement from our unbelievably unsuccessful self appointed director of rugby. He was our very own King Canute who actually believed it was possible to hold back the waves of relegation lapping at his feet by hope alone.

I shouldn't think so. He'll just get loads of personal abuse.

You seem to be conflating personal abuse with people pointing out that it is his decisions which have failed the club and community

Nope. Personal abuse.
It's been well documented that he gets that from some so called fans.

All I've seen directed at him is more timid than the personal abuse I've received on here from some so called fans

There is still this thing about who saved us at the end of last season,some saying it was Willie Poching,some saying it was a group of players who took things into their own hands.It has significance in determining whether the board made the right decision to sack Willie at the time and the ensuing consequences for this season.Wish someone could give the definitive answer.(not that it changes anything,just cos I'd like to know).

He shouldn’t get personal abuse, and unless he himself has made it personal by his words and actions on the platforms available and used by him then there’s no justification for it.

That said I’ve never seen any personal abuse aimed at him, yes I’ve seen heavy criticism of him and some harsh assessments of his personality traits but nothing that borders on abuse, unless your going by the modern day definition where wearing the wrong coloured tie can be termed abusive.

What I have seen is comments by Carter saying he’s had personal abuse and if true it’s out of order but I’ve never seen it or any proof of it other than Carters own comments

My views on the incumbents and coach are well known and in both cases I have never personally insulted either. I think all have been a disaster this season and each are equally responsible for our relegation.

Clearly Applegarth needed to be better but for me a lot of this is down to 3 or 4 players.
Whether you blame them or the recruitment is up to you but Proctor, Atoni, Taufua and to a certain extent Gaskill were big disappointments.

By far the no.1 is Proctor who has a better CV than any other player in Super League and was a current NRL player but has been the lowest quality player in the squad. If he'd played like a marquee player should, we'd have made a bigger impact.

Atoni, though he did improve with Fifita shouldn't need to be motivated to put effort in. He should have been pulling up trees but was miles off.

Taufua was a wasted signing but again as an overseas player with a good cv in NRL, he was behind Lineham in quality which is just ridiculous.

We either didn't do our homework or we were conned big time.
Starting with those players and then Murphy, Tanginoa and Jowitt getting long term injuries just set us up to fail.

Players like Ashurst and Kay may not be world beaters but they probably played at their capabilities. They should have been following the big guns, not leading the team.

We'll never know whether Mash could have done better with better players but it all just went wrong.

Fifita along with Gale and a couple of others gave us a couple of highlights but ultimately we were relegated because we lost to Cas twice. Big games where we needed big players to stand up and they didn't.

Hard to argue with any of that, PT

That squad that was Assembled may not have been the best in super league but should have been far more competitive than our results have shown . The standard of rugby has been nothing short of embarrassing from start to finish .For me mash gets the blame for the outstandingly poor game plans and the one out rugby that is so easily defended against , the players for their poor standards which never got better the longer the season went on and finally our leaders for not swallowing their pride and at times arrogance and not wielding the axe on coach and players earlier to prevent this catastrophe. At the same time I feel an overwhelming sense of relief after the final whistle and not sadness , as the club will move on from this and hopefully learn big lessons and come back stronger and not be perennial wooden spooners

But that's the problem.
The squad on paper was OK but big players weren't available for much of it like Jowitt and Tanginoa and some just didn't perform like Proctor and Atoni.
That isn't Mash.

He has other things to carry blame for but no coach can solve those two things and for a team with small squad like ours, that is massive.

Nobody should be subject to personal abuse, in any way.

However, vast majority I've seen is criticism and not what I'd class as abuse.

I have actually been reading some old posts, and an ex poster on here wasn't slow either, so some of it maybe tit for tat

Unfortunately the book does stop with Applegarth, whether that be fair or not.

I'd go with that the book does stop with the coach, he puts them out to play a certain way if they can't it's down to him and as for injuries all teams get them, adapt and change the style of play. The book stops with ceo and the rest of the board for the rest of the shambles

Mash knew what was install for him regarding the difficulty of the job, huge player turnover and limited funds. You wouldn’t take the job if you weren’t confident in your coaching ability as this could be his only chance as a head coach. Poor recruitment and selecting inconsistent players consistently is a major factor. Proctor should of been left to rot in the stands for the majority of the year. We have had a lot of injuries especially to our spine, but does that justify our record nillings and just pure crap we have dished out.

Would another coach of saved us, we’ll never know but Cas chanced their arm 3 times and it looks like it’s saved them. Would cas of best Hull FC the way they did 2 month ago, I doubt it.

Apologies for pedant mode but:

It's the buck as in the US Dollar.

i'm not one for constantly slagging of the club owners - I doubt whether most of the comments made about them on here are accurate BUT there in little doubt in my mind that MA should have walked a long time ago.
We have no attacking flair, and haven't had for 90% of the games.
Our rugby is unattractive to the point of boring. Team selection is puzzling and it was blatantly obvious midway through the season that a new approach was needed.
Well we've paid the ultimate price and anyone who thinks we still have a chance of staying up is deluded.
I have to agree that the decision not to replace MA lies with the BOD.
It may have cost money to pay him off, but the price not relieve him of his duties, will be much higher I fear.

Persistently play Proctor when it was obvious that he was not performing was surely down to Mash and similarly with Atoni. What do we have an A team for?

If you have a problem and no one else can help, and if you can find them, you could hire the A team!


Showing my age!

Crass. What have YOU done Willzay to keep it in SL? Whine & moan - shyster!