Whatever the problem with players , conditioners n the likes ,the buck stops with the coach. He tells the conditioner how he wants his players prepared and his assistants how he wants them drilled . His job is the set the moves out in both attack and defence and get them motivated and up for the fight , the rest do as they are told by him either directly or indirectly. There is a serious flaw in the chain of command as to what is expected of players and staff both on and off the field . Change the coach , get rid of the pally pally goings on , and whip all and sundry into a battle hardened unit capable of more that this ridiculous situation we find ourselves in, where we continually roll over and get out enthused and played by all n sundry

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I’d add to that the the forwards aren’t up for the fight , they should lay the platform for the back , which isn’t happening and hasn’t done for a while now .

The more I read his after match comments the more depressed I get. The club might just as well announce his new contract because even if not signed it will be. If I remember correctly he has done the quality over quantity before which obviously did not work that time because he favours the older players who unfortunately are injured more frequently and that’s when the thin squad is exposed.
The supporters are stuck between a rock (MC who does not want to replace him) and a hard place (Chester who knows he would not find another opportunity). We are just irrelevant our only purpose is to provide finances by paying for season tickets, overpriced drinks and merchandise. When they wanted us to forego our season ticket money they were so grateful but now nothing.
If they insist on giving him a new contract make it minimum wage with a generous win bonus.

Thats' the point, that isn't fitness that's being past it. Ashurst, Arona, Green, and a few others are spent as It's not always an age thing. Some players last forever but some have a short window of effectiveness and we have far too many of those players, especially in the forwards, So limited in ability our conditioner maybe some of our players are so far past their sell-by date nobody could bring them back to the level we require.

vastly you only have to sit in the stand and watch it, why can’t the top brass see it. We will be in the same boat for ages until he realises we simply can’t compete up front for more than a couple of games.

That's the thing vasty, correct again. But correct me if I am wrong a good and knowledgeable conditioner who works hard could help solve this. He should follow the players closely and start to spot these signs. He should have a close working relationship with the coach and between them they should pick up the early warning signals. When contracts end they should be fully aware of a players ability to carry on delivering or if they are spent. How on gods earth they had not spotted that certain players were well past their best shows their ineptitude.

Maybe he has but nobody is listening? Who knows but I did shudder when Ashurst got a new deal. He's been a fabulous servant but he along with Arona and Atupou have taken one injury too many and they all should be able to spot that.

We need older heads nobody can deny that but they have to have a minimum level of wellbeing and we seem to be ignoring that.

Wonder if any of the 4 signings he's talking about today are middles.

Let's hope so, though we need them now and not for 2022

Sorry mate, but I’m not buying this good bloke and has the club at heart routine anymore. If he loves the club that much then why is he milking it dry, because that is what he is doing. I also don’t recall him kicking the door down to come and play for us either. We’re the only gig in town and he knows it!

The thing is i think in time he would get another gig, maybe as assistant at first but eventually as head coach somewhere, maybe in the championship. Even a stint in Union to broaden his horizons. But the longer he stays and fails here the more long term damage he is doing to his career. The worse his record gets the more unemployable in the future he becomes and it has to be affecting him mentally. For his own good he should step down, take stock and move forward whilst he still can because much more of this his reputation will be shot to pieces for good.

No point in buying more second row players as we have so many old second row players under contract. The one good second row man we had Mr Chester decided to make him a prop and against Huddersfield did not look half the player he was.Young Batch who is far better than JC and Ashurst is out of contract .This Coach as not got a clue

The names I am hearing are ok but not earth shattering. None will have the effect of likes brough drew or solomona. Few if any would get a gig at a top club. Typical ok wakey signings and we have to be realistic. However when you factor in that if things run to form ,those players will have at least 10% drop in form under our coaching. So I just think this is a bit of desperate gesture by the club who refuse to face the real problem. Having said that their signings would be good if we are brutal and remove the rubbish. Unfortunately ones that need removing are still on contract.

So if they do agree terms with Batch, are you saying he has got a clue and you were wrong on this subject?

Wakefield have already confirmed the signing of Lee Gaskell from the Giants, while Rugby League Live has previously revealed the club are chasing Liam Hood, Tom Lineham and Samisoni Langi.

Or maybe Batch is keeping his options open?
Ashurst would have snapped the hand off for a 3 year deal and maybe JC still thinks re-signing at Wakey is his best option at the moment?