I do get what you're saying, you do need skin thicker than a rhino at times!! I guess there was an inevitability that after two great seasons we would revert to type and back to a struggle......but, why does it have to be that way? I was watching a thing this morning about Exeter Chiefs and their rise to fame since being promoted a decade ago. Later today they could be crowned the best team in Europe, they are a dominant force and have broken the stranglehold of the more 'traditional' big hitters in Union, Leicester, Bath, and Saracens, who obviously cheated their way to the top. I'm not that keen on Union, but I do watch some games, and I found their story interesting.

Look at Leicester in football, since winning the Premier league, they have hardly fallen down a great big hole have they?? They look at least like they are a regular top 4 contender, and could easily win a trophy in the next few years. I think Chairmen of all sporting clubs should tap into other sports, and try to apply some of what made them successful and flourish. Obviously money plays a big part, we all know that, but Salford are an example in our sport. They tried to buy success under Koukash and got nowhere, they are in a better place now than when he was there, although I obviously don't know all the ins and outs of their financial situation, on the field they have done remarkably well and I bet their fans are happy he has gone. It's all about making the right decisions at the right time as re. recruitment, and having foresight and taking chances, maybe thinking outside the box, and a bit of luck.

With the examples I have given, it can be done, you just get a feeling with us, we are like a cat who's had it's nine lives, but who knows, we always seem to get out of any mess we find ourselves in......

Yeah but your post starts off with, as a trin fan we know what we are getting? Our having the odd decent season in every 8 or 9 is what i'm saying, why does it always have to be that way? Why haven't we kicked on since 2017 & 2018?! Probably down to poor decision making by whoever has been in charge! Warrington have thrown bucket loads of money at getting a team to win the league, they signed Andrew Johns way back in 2005, since then they still haven't won the league, either finishing top or winning a G/F. Sure they have been to Wembley, but they haven't been champions since the 50's!! Being successful in sport is not all about money, it's both a blessing and a curse, as in life too!!

Very sensible and realistic post Wildmoggy.

But before the money they had no success at all.
So I think your post still shows that money made the difference. It took them to Wembley and meant they could keep competing at the top. And also meant they could develop the supporter base.
When they make bad decisions they just forget and replace. When we make them it sets us back a year or more before we recover..... Hence the good seasons mixed with struggles.

Wrencat the club won’t survive long term if they carry on Going down this road, they will struggle to attract quality signings which will equate to lower crowd and a slow lingering demise of the club that we know and love. How do you sell a club to players and fans and more importantly sponsors alike by saying (we won’t win many games and forget all about any cup runs.) Its starts by having a big shake up and a positive mindset, something which for whatever reason is sadly missing at this moment in time.

I agree with you.

Clearly, if they carry on losing, it's relegation and oblivion (probably).
My comments are more to do with the battle that ALL businesses currently have, just to survive.
Perhaps, replacing the Coach isn't the top of the list of priorities right now.

You may remember how ruthless Carter and Brereton were when they first took over. Selling a player every week just to cover the bills, with all of our better players (apart from Kirmo) leaving, just to keep us afloat.
Call me a doom monger but, the longer that the game goes on without fans coming through the turnstiles, the closer that Trinity and others may come to a similar scenario.
Everyone will have been hoping for fans to return, long before the new season starts but, this looks pretty unlikely at the moment.
Pro RL ultimately is part of the leisure industry and there are and will be all sorts of challenges in the close season and for the club (and all clubs) staying alive will be the biggest one of those challenges.

There are some great postings here on reality, but most seem to have missed the point on revenue, again, can you expect the same
Number of supporters to renew their season tickets when they cannot see live games @ Belle vue, then they consider the team Cannot win games, they will be bottom & relegated, Carter cannot therefore finance quality player's & why would quality players
Play at a struggling club with poor attitude, poor fitness, & unwilling to learn + improve. ??
This is the reality of the situation no matter how people want to believe other wise !!
Until reality is noted, you cannot expect changes, but again, money = revenue, we are in a very poor situation !!

I think fans need to understand why Carter & Brereton took over the club and stop projecting their own love for the club and the game on them, Carter in particular.

Having invested a couple of hundred grand each into the club they were forced into a choice, let the club go into Administration and lose your money or take over the club! Make no mistake they both only wanted their money out but happily for Trinity fans that meant saving the club! There’s nothing wrong with their motives or reasons but let’s not get confused with why they stepped in.

Carter then found some gratification in the praise he received and he’s revelled in it at every opportunity. Do you really and honestly believe he was trying to shovel the snow off the lines during the Widnes blizzard? I can tell you 100% that had it not been in front of a packed hospitality block with a camera at the ready he wouldn’t have been anywhere near a shovel or snow.

He’s been good at stabilising our finances, maybe too good but don’t mistake him for a fan like you are, he isn’t

How dare he go out and shovel snow off the field when it was actually too cold to even sit and watch.
He works his booty off for this club. Your bitter opinion does not change that.
I actually don't care if he does love the attention. Don't blame him.

A bit disingenuous there Avenger.

Do you think that Trinity have been a net gain for MC or, do you think that the club has cost him money ?
Also, I've personally been to enough events and other stuff at BV to see the guy doing stuff that very few club chairmen would do.
Yes, he was shoveling snow, working behind the bar, attending fans forums and all of that while digging into his own pocket.
There weren't too many takers for buying the club for a quid when he offered it ??
Regardless of whether his motives were to try and recoup his investment, but for him, the club would have been gone so, hoe DOES deserve some gratitude.

Although many fans think that he shows too much loyalty to the coach, maybe that's not such a bad thing and maybe the fans are just a bit too quick (including myself) when losing patience with the coach.

Leeds are looking good with two of our former coaches in charge.

Having said that, you do wonder just how many games we have to lose, before MC and Minards feel that we need a change.

For me, just like John Kear, MC has enough "credit" with Trinity to be beyond reproach

I can remember buying a couple of pints, which he served and joking that I couldn't imagine Roman Abramovich serving behind the bar at his club, can you.

He did it for a photo shoot and nothing more, you can be as blindly loyal as you like but it doesn’t change that.

Bitter about what?

What have I blamed him for???

That's not true

He was there shoveling snow in the morning, along with around 50ish fans and thanked those who had given up their time to get the game on

I’m not talking about that which was a genuine attempt to get the game on. I’m talking about his famous picture stood on his own immediately in front of the hospitality block pretending to shovel snow off the line which was nothing but pure opportunism meant for the fans.