Politics is mostly full of career politicians that have no idea what it's like in the real world and I agree this subject has brought out the worst in them on both sides.
My biggest motivator in voting out is the legacy it will have on my childs future and I do think that the current EU free movement of people has created lower wages and higher house prices in the UK alongside helping corporate bosses and bankers get richer to boot. The Australian model of a points system would work well in the UK and bring in the skills needed whilst managing the numbers to help our buckling health and education services.

I wonder if the RFL at Red hall followed the EU projects model

Agree with all the above. Also agree that a deal will eventually be done. It makes sense for both sides, especially all those companies that rely on British people to buy their goods and have done for decades. I just can't see a scenario where the EU is going to cut their nose off to spite their face. Ateotd what are the German's going to do with all their VW's, Audi's, Mercs, BMW's; the French with their Peugeot and Renaults and all their wine they ship over here. It keeps been mentioned that people think we're still the British Empire, I'm sure everyone knows where not but what we are is the 5th biggest economy in the world and with that I'd say we have a fair bit of Economic power.

Cheap labour is the enemy of the working class it undermines everything so why are the Labour Party and trade unions not speaking out against the massive influx of cheap labour,because they all support the Euro project and don't care about the impact on ordinary working people.

You're right, we are a big power economically but this is dependent largely on London's financial centre. We don't manufacture much any more, and if we do it's more specialist stuff, rather than bulk. The only large manufacturing jobs are for car firms, all with foreign owners.

If the London Financial centre gets even slightly marginalised by the Americans and EU, then we'll struggle IMO.

Because Corbyn has sold his soul now he's got the top job, Clegg was the same when he got in charge although I would argue if he ever had any principles to start with. There's nobody at the top who gives a stuff about ordinary working people and that dare to speak out on the effects of mass migration.

I understand your thoughts and agree with some of it. However, although we are a "net contributor", countries like Norway and Switzerland (being in "similar" positions to that of Britain would be following "exit"icon_wink.gif, both have to contribute substantially to enjoy favorable trading conditions and they have absolutely no say in what happens in Europe.
We would be the same, therefore, this argument doesn't hold much sway.

Surely, we are better placed, trying to have influence "fighting" from within, as opposed to being dictated to on the
outside ?

Do you follow a man who likes a bit of a love in with the best bacon or go with the man who whilst playing foosball rugby tackles someone. Boris wins everytime for me. Doesnt matter whos in charge we all get rogered

We have the 5th largest economy in the world so we'll hardly be getting the begging bowl out looking for trade partners. Neither are we in any way comparable with Norway and Switzerland.

We have absolutely zero influence in the EU, evidenced by the total lack of success that the idiot Cameron had when trying to negotiate a better deal for the UK.

We contribute around £88Million a day to the EU and after that figure is balanced off by the discounts and kickbacks we are still a net contributor of £32Million per Day
That's almost £12Billion a year that we contribute to the EU

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Coincidentally that's the same figure the Conservative zgovernment said they'd cut from Welfare at the last election, a figure they wouldn't be drawn on as to the where, who and how they'd do it!

£12 Billion!
How many schools is that?
How much housing?
How many Hospitals?

I'm no UKIP supporter and I'm not a Farage admirer but he's the only one talking any sense about immigration and he's the only one telling the truth about our inability to control our own borders while a member of the EU.

Everyone else fudges the issue and and throws up a smokescreen of "where would we be without immigration in the 50s & 60s"
Well that was then and we needed the immigration at that time but this is now and we don't need immigration on nearly the same scale.

"The NHS will fail without the influx of specialists, Consultants, Doctors and Nurses who come here to work in our NHS"

Well first of all, stop systematically undermining and underfunding the NHS so that you can Backdoor privatise it. Secondly, pay our own Medical and health staff properly and they might not feel the need to go work elsewhere. Finally, come on, who the hell do you think you're kidding! Walk through the Ridings centre on any afternoon and I'll tell you straight, it's not gangs of Consultant Doctors and Nurses that are sat around bothering young girls and intimidating anyone passing by.

Every form of infrastructure is stretched and broken,
Health
Education
Public Services
Housing
Welfare

We cannot continue to see mass immigration with no way whatsoever of stopping it, not while we're in the EU anyway, NONE!

Hey but I've outed myself haven't I?
I must be a racist or an uneducated bigot because I've broken the taboo and voiced my opinion against immigration.

You may now conveniently ignore anything I've said!

How can we "go it alone" or be "self sufficient"? Most industry in this country is owned by foreign companies who at only here because we're in the EU. You think they'll hang around, nope. We don't even own our utilities anymore! The damage was done years ago when we were sold down the river. Sounds bleak but it's how I see it.

I think I am out but not 100% sure yet.

I lived and worked abroad for just short of 4 years in an EU country, with a higher salary than what i earn in the UK, for doing the same job.

With that and the almost constant sunshine the Med brings, I aim to do that again one day.

The main reason of moving back to the UK, was so that our children can finish their education.

I just dont know yet, as to whether coming out of the EU would reduce that opportunity of going back

I agree with you on the migration issue.
Although "free movement" is a great ideal, in this area, clearly, something has to change, not because your pro or anti Europe but, because it's just not sensible.
You clearly feel strongly about the issue but, what additional cost's do you think we will incur being "on the outside".
Currently we have the ability to trade freely and without constraint across the Euro nations so, how will this change following "exit".

Voting to leave will make no difference to immigration, despite what the leave campaign want you to believe. Leaving the EU and the massive economic benefits it brings with it will blow a gaping hole in the economy that can only be filled by signing up to free trade agreements, one of the major ones having to be with the EU. A consequence of this will be having to accept their conditions or it won't happen and if it doesn't this country is screwed. One of these rules is freedom of movement for workers, exactly the same as now. The ONLY way to try temper this is to have a seat at the table and try and change the rules from the inside, as with anything in life you certainly won't be able to change it from the outside looking in.

The UK is the 5th largest economy BECAUSE of being in the EU, not in spite of it. Yes the EU is expanding and that is why it is vital that we are part of it. Trying to trade outside it will only get harder and tade deals take an awful long time to set up, for exanple the EU's deal with Canada is only just getting going and its been over 7 years in the making. And don't think for a second that countries can't get what we have to sell elsewhere because they can. Also bare in mind that the SNP have said that a vote to leave could spark a new referendum in Scotland as they want to be in the EU. Them leaving would further damage this countries economy and influence.

Being proud of your country is fine and should always be the case but the world has changed in the last 30 years, people have to accept and embrace that. We cannot all be little Englandersanymore and shout brittantia rules the waves and expect to be a super power, the world doesn't work like that anymore. Our manufacturing has changed beyond recognition for starters to a point where we are no longer self sufficent (think the surge in china, nothing to do with the EU) and many of our biggest employers are owned by overseas conpanies who rely on the benefits being part of the free state brings. I can't stand Cameron and his cronies but on this one he is right, we are way better off in the EU. And having Boris as leader will bury thiscountry once and for all, the bloke is a first class buffoon. The damage that will be done by voting to leave doesn't bear thinking about.

Absolutely true; for the much vaunted trade agreements enjoyed by Norway and Switzerland - they have to allow free movement; so the Shangri-La promised by Farage and co of being outside the EU, but enjoying all the benefits of trade etc, is a lie. As is the IDS line on each migrant worker displacing x number of UK workers; those figures he bandied about were actually taken from a study on non EU migrants, so again, more lies.

Equally - we can control our borders for non EU migrants and have been able to for a long time; how has that worked out in terms of controlling non EU immigration? Answer - it hasn't.

I'll be voting Remain - the days of Empire are over, and the UK is only a powerhouse because of our influential position in the EU; outside of it, I believe we'll become an irrelevance. I do however support reform of the EU - something which we'll be much better placed to achieve from the inside.

Absolutely spot on.

I'd also like to point out the other myth the leave campaign peddles which is the £350m per week it supposedly costs to be in the EU. It really doesn't. With the rebate we instantly get, the extra trade we have due to being inside and the hand outs given for individual projects the monetary benefits far outweigh the money spent to be in. Leaving would actually cost money and where do you think that shortfall would come from? Yep, the tax payer through higher taxation and deeper cuts to services.